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Thursday, March 08, 2007


Allyson Smith

I'd like to thank TM Lutas for providing examples of other questions that could have been asked of His Eminence. Will try to keep those in mind for the future, if a similar opportunity ever arises.

I DID try to change tack when I saw that he was evading the first question about Father Radcliffe and Brokeback Mountain by asking him about the "gay and lesbian ministry" booth there in the exhibition hall, but after that he dismissed me saying "We'll look into it."

In the meantime, I'd like to encourage everyone, when they have such an opportunity, to ask such pointed questions of bishops, particularly if they are bishops who allow heterodoxy in their dioceses. We must respect our bishops as shepherds and "other Christs," and we must never be disrespectful, but we also have the right as lay faithful to demand answers.


"We must respect our bishops as shepherds.."


I disagree. We must NOT respect bishops who are doing evil and teaching untruth.

We must try to love them and pray for them, but we do NOT have to respect them.

We should never respect sin, or those who unrepentantly and knowingly commit it.

Cardinal Mahony gets no respect from me, nor should he.



If the District Attorney were to indict Cardinal Mahony for obstruction of justice (sex abuse scandal) it would be a good thing for the cause of justice and for the well-being of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.


I think you have a interpreting the wrong definition of respect in this matter.

There are two common meanings of respect in this context:
1. Personal Respect:
Esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability.

Of course you wouldn't be expected to give this type of respect Cardinal Mahony unless he earned it.

2. Societal or Institutional respect:
Deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment. Ex: Respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly.

This type of respect is less known in modern society. It involves a certain amount of formal courtesy and acknowledgement to those in authority. In other words, it is respect for law.

Notice that nowhere in this definition does it say you must like the person in question. Nor does it say you can't make criticisms, it simply demands deference to the ideal, which in Cardinal Mahony's case, is as a Cardinal of the Catholic Church.

In other words, play nice! You can criticize all you please, but keep yourself away from crudities, mockery, and deliberate insults--anything you wouldn't want your mother overhearing.


No thanks, Melody.

I try to live by God's Law, as best I can - and I don't respect those who deliberately mock it - intentionally and with evil intent.

There is some sick disease in our society, where our little kids are taught to respect 'everyone,' no matter what they do, no matter what they think, no matter what they espouse. It's part of the PC morality of never offend, never make a judgment about anything.

All Christians (Catholics included) are not to respect sin or those who promote it.

We are precisely called to NOT respect sin, even when those in high positions are deep into it.

Christ did NOT respect the Pharisees (no matter their 'exalted' position).

God calls us to love the other.

Love is commanded by God; respect is earned by the person.

Again, Mahony gets NO respect from me, nor should he (nor should he get any from any other Catholic for that matter).

If you 'resepct' everything and everyone, respect means precisely - nothing.



Read my last post here again please, you totally missed my point.

Are you really living by "God's Law" or just God's law as you see it?

I'd like to add that my "How dare you!" of earlier, though expressing anger, was not because you hurt my 'feelings' but because it was unfounded libel against the leaders of the Church, whom you ought to (at least formally) respect if you are Catholic.

For Our Lord Jesus taught:
"Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."(Matt7:1-5)

Who are you to judge who is right and wrong Joseph? Concern yourself with your own conduct, and to exercising the virtues of love, humility, and charity.


I should add that Jesus spoke respectfully with all the Pharisees. He also was in possesion of a perfect source of information about them in the Person of His Father.

Sandy G

It's not that Mahony doesn't know what is going on in his diocese...He knows exactly what is's just that he doesn't have a problem with it. How can he do anything about the sex abuse issue if he's part of it?

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