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Wednesday, March 07, 2007

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MJ

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. So pathetic, it's almost comical (it would be comical except for the fact that it's REAL). It doesn't even look Catholic; it looks like some cult worship service, meeting, thingy...yeah.

Sigh. Quo Vadis, TLM?

Aaron

He is an insane person.

angela

And then there's: 1. the altar is not in the "sanctuary" - (it is in the area designated for the faithful). (contradicting GIRM 295) The choir IS in the "sanctuary" (contradicting GIRM 311,312,313) There was no crucifix (contradicting GIRM 308) Anyone want to pick up where I left off?

This is "do it yourself" Catholicism. C. Mahony has no concern for simple priestly obedience. He dishonors God and the attendees of his conference by his constant, blatant, prideful disobedience to the Magisterium.

Angela

James


The souls of men and women and children are at stake - particularly with regard to Mahoney's sexual sin agenda.

He's earning a big ole fat millstone (if he does not repent) - but where are the fathers of the Church?

How can they allow such evil?

James

MJ

Oh this happens more than we'd all like to think.

Where are the Church fathers? Right where they've been for the past 40 years.

Whoever has this video should get a few affidavits signed, fly to Rome, and present it to the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith. The Vatican is willing to take action if there is proper evidence of abuses. Thing is that priests have rights just like anyone else, so evidence must be gathered and validated just as any other evidence in any legal proceeding. Some things can't be ignored. With thousands of complaints coming into the Vatican everyday, they are just waiting for a complaint with some valid evidence behind it so that they can actually take action.

James


"With thousands of complaints coming into the Vatican everyday, they are just waiting for a complaint with some valid evidence behind it so that they can actually take action."

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No, it's the other way 'round. When thousands of complaints pour in (as they assuredly have), they have the RESPONSIBILITY to investigate and to something. The Papal Nuncio (unless he is deaf, dumb and blind) knows precisely what is going on.

C'mon, Benedict - Do some pruning, for God's sake... (and I mean that...)

James

angela

Forgot this one re: the "chair of the priest celebrant" "GIRM 310 Any appearance of a throne, however, is to be avoided".

Angela

angela

Forgot this one re: the "chair of the priest celebrant" "GIRM 310 Any appearance of a throne, however, is to be avoided".

Angela

Peggy

Isn't that the same dance routine as last year? How disappointing!

MJ

I place no confidence in the GIRM - no confidence whatsoever.

It allows for horrible abuses to occur in the Novus Ordo Mass - abuses like the ones we see in the video.

Kris

"It allows for horrible abuses to occur in the Novus Ordo Mass - abuses like the ones we see in the video. "

The GIRM allows for no such thing. Crappy Bishops do.

MJ

Yes the GIRM does allow for abuses. It is precisely the tool those bishops you speak of use to justify their mutilation of the Mass.

I appeal to Athanasius (http://athanasiuscm.blogspot.com/) to explain some of this:

"This interior discontinuity is one of the most obvious problems with the Novus Ordo. In the same Church, one priest can say the 2000 missal in Latin facing the altar with Gregorian chant, and according to the rubrics that is totally okay. A half hour later a priest can come in, face the people, pray heretical hymns which are approved in the Glory and Praise Hymnal (as well as the OCP cheapo missals used in place of the propers present in the missal), in the vernacular, with ugly vestments, odd vessels, and that is also totally okay according to the GIRM. However those two Masses look entirely different. Both are the Novus Ordo. But both look like they belong to two different religions."

James


So, in the Catholic Church, what do you do about a lying, conniving, sexual pervert coverruper, perversion glorifying Cardinal?

Answer: Nothing.

James

anthonypadua

You're right, it is a different religion. I think they call it paganism.

Patrick

Isn't that the same dance routine as last year? How disappointing!

I don't know if it is the same dance routine from last year. But, I do know that it looks REALLY GAY.

Dude

Patrick: Schmidt Gay to be sure.

carol

Emails:
Pope Benedict
BenedictXVI@vatican.va

Archb. Pietro Sambi (USA Nuncio)
nuntiususa@nuntiususa.org

Congr. Doctr. Faith
cdf@cfaith.va

dmedici

Who is saying the rosary for Cardinal Mahony?

Melody

I'm already saying the rosary for Tod Brown. One more name to add...

Gary

The Novus Ordo is fundamentally an experiment in liturgy, with options galore.

And the whole thing is constantly changing, with new Prefaces, new Eucharistic Prayers, new translations, continual revisions to the calendar, followed by more new translations, etc.

The idea of fixed rubrics is nowhere to be seen. This liturgy is in a constant state of flux, and no one can anticipate when the process might end. The only constant in modern liturgical practice is change.

Change for the mere sake of change. The idea of an unchanging order of Mass is anathema to the modernist spirit.

South Central Catholic

"Whoever has this video should get a few affidavits signed, fly to Rome, and present it to the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith. The Vatican is willing to take action if there is proper evidence of abuses. Thing is that priests have rights just like anyone else, so evidence must be gathered and validated just as any other evidence in any legal proceeding. Some things can't be ignored. With thousands of complaints coming into the Vatican everyday, they are just waiting for a complaint with some valid evidence behind it so that they can actually take action."

Yeah right, Rome has received enough valid complaints. "They are just waiting..." Waiting for Hell to freeze before they decide to do something?!

Thom

OH NO! NOT WICKER BASKETS! *rolls eyes*

Mike

I am very strong in my faith in almost all areas, this sadly is one of my weak spots. How can we claim to be Christs true church? How can we buy into the idea that the churches teaching never changed over 2000 years when they allow simple discipline issues like this to lose so many souls?

JMC

The thing is, Church teaching has not changed. Unfortunately, however, its clergy are only men, fallen just like the rest of us and subject to temptation and sin. We see abuses like this taking place, and we see the superiors of such abusers doing nothing. Yes, the men who "run" the Church are corrupt. That does not make the Church herself corrupt. As a priest once told me, when I had been voicing concerns about the corruption, we have to remember that God is still in charge. He has His reasons for allowing these things to happen, but He will correct the situation in His own time. In this case, we'd best hope He opts for using secondary causes, or LA's in deep kim-chee...

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