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Tuesday, November 20, 2007

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Joseph-USA

We can all understand gradual or step by step improvement or change, but it's really not the music.

The pope is treating symptoms rather than the FATAL disease he ignored (at best) or encouraged (at worst).

Purge ALL homosexuals from the Catholic clergy; remove the cancer, then normal men can recover, conduct and preserve our Faith, recognizing and rooting out Modernism, without interrupting any Bishop's perverted "love life."

Dan Hunter

"Here I am Lord, Where are you Lord, I'm over here Lord, your getting warmer".
This kind of crap is liturgical hide and seek.

Atlanta Catholic

Thomistic,

Thanks for this good news! It sounds like the Church is trying to feed it's members with the healthier diet of Sacred Music.

Progressives binge.....Our Pope purges!

Sing Hallelujah! Sing praise to the Lord, you faithful; give thanks to God for DELIVERANCE of bad music! Free at Last...Free at Last!

Christopher H.

I love the old Gregorian chant and baroque music. The incense, the latin mass where the priest faces the back, lit prayer candles, stained glass. That is the beauty of the Catholic Church. It would be wonderful to get back to the basics... and no more communion in the hand either.

maybe there is a swing back to the old ways. I hope so.

Patrick

I hope Pope Benedict lives a long life.

kinoc

What good news! I agree with Patrick - may Pope Benedict live a long life.

And thank you Thomistic, per your recent recommendation I am reading "Why Catholics Can't Sing". As you said, very readable and helps me understand better the current confused state of the Mass. (I've been gone since 1962 and recently returned). IF all goes well St. Mary's by the Sea will have TLM starting Dec 2!!!. I'm looking forward to it.

Joe

Finally, we're being rescued from that so called "music" in Church.

deusdonat

Deo Gratias! Viva Papam!

CatholicCrusader

With God's help, this will help to bring to an end the misguided attempts to "sing a new church" into being, in the words of the Oregon Catholic Press song. The dismantling of all that is sacred, including holy and uplifting music, is all part of the progressive agenda to Protestant-ize the True Church.

David1

"Here I Am Lord" is one of many songs my wife and I sing when we go out to the local youth jail for Bible studies. The kids love it and, I think, it brings them closer to the Church and to God.

I love the chant music, but let's not throw the bably out with the bath water.

Frank

Thomastic

Your posts fill me and so many with hope and love for the church

Doug in Irving

Msgr. Grau and I are in COMPLETE agreement -

"How far we are from the true spirit of sacred music. How can we stand it that such a wave of inconsistent, arrogant and ridiculous profanities have so easily gained a stamp of approval in our celebrations?"

I could add my own reflections, but it would detract from Msgr. Grau's eloquence . . .

adrian91706@netzero.com

Wow , this whole article sounds more like a personal attack on Homosexuality rather and modern music. Going back to ancient music will cause many catholics to join protestant churches who seem more evangelical than most catholics. Sad that our church as old as it, cannot agree on Modern music VS Anicent music.!

ProdigalSonship

I consider myself to be a "centrist" Catholic in general, (whatever that may mean). I have been a liturgical musician for the past 35 years. I began the liturgical aspect of of music career as a singer in a folk group at mass while in high school. Yes, I was part of that "hum and strum, I'm OK, you're OK" generation. After high school, I began to sing as a professional liturgical musician as a source of income.
Over the years, these have included:
5 years at 2 Presbyterian churches,(one of which had a national television ministry).
1 year in a Methodist church attached to a major university in Boston.
5 years at a famous Episcopalian church in Boston.
5 years at a famous Congregationalist church in Boston.
20 years at Jewish synagogues of Conservative and Reformed traditions.
15 years as cantor at a catholic church.
Suffice it to say, I have been very fortunate to have been exposed to all these various worship traditions and can speak with a bit of knowledge on liturgical music in general.
In my opinion, the whole reason for music at mass is to praise God. It is to emulate the "heavenly worship" of God by the angels and saints at the throne of God.
The history of church music is such that it was the WORDS which came first and then the music developed to serve the WORDS, not the other way around. What I am saying is this...we need to know WHAT we are saying and WHY we say it and then the "how" we say it follows. This means to me that the "words" themselves MUST be appropriate and theologically sound, based on the scriptures, sound doctrine and sacred tradition, and tested by Faith and Reason, and not necessarily appealing to one's sense of aesthetic. That is why the musical style of a mass celebrated in say, an African culture is as valid as a solemn Latin Mass may be in our western culture. First the words, then the music.
In so much as it is the "words" which are of primary importance, I care less if a certain style of music appeals to one or another's sense of musical tastes. BUT....this is an entirely different issue from the presentation of style and practice. We must all agree as catholics that at every mass, Jesus Christ is really present in the Eucharist and as such, we must NEVER lose sight of the fact that we are "performing" worship for His sake, not our own. If this is true, then it also means we should give our best to Him in worship.
We as liturgical musicians need to ask ourselves ....Have we shifted our focus from Christ to the congregation? Have we usurped the role of the Holy Spirit to touch the hearts of the faithful? Have we surrendered the "I / THOU" relationship to one which is now "ME / you"? Is the music I sing or play for the greater glory of God or to appeal to the lower instincts of the people in the pews? If I were to actually see Christ in his physical body, standing before me as I performed my "worship" in church, would I use the same repertoire as I do presently? Do I utilize music and hymns in the mass which are relevant to the readings or "theme" of the mass, or do I regularly use music which is geared to appeal to "sentiment"?
As liturgical musicians we have been entrusted with great influence to persuade, direct, empower, inspire, console, lead and help the congregation. It may also easily be misused to confuse, misdirect, shift focus, mislead and self-aggrandize. In short, it is far easier for present day culture to drag us down than it is for us to lift it up. In the mass, we lift up our hearts, we lift them up to the Lord....not ourselves.
Saint Bernard of Clairvaux once said the four cardinal virtues of Christianity are, "Humility, humility, humility and humility." This type of humility is not to be confused to mean that.."I am nothing...worthless." That is a false form of humility. I think we need to take genuine pride in the gifts which God has bestowed upon us, and practice proper stewardship of those gifts...BUT....we exercise the use of those gifts in sincere humility. We strive to do All things for the greater glory of God and be ever watchful to keep the right intention and focus of the mass where it needs to be. We are not to "perform" to the congregation....we "worship" God, and as a result, we help direct the minds and hearts of the congregation towards the same end...the Holy Spirit does the rest. Anything short of striving for that goal is missing the mark or merely a silly vanity. Let's face it....there are six other days of the week when we can appeal to our own or to each other's sentiment, vanity, ego and personal agenda. Let's keep the Lord's day for the Lord.

Roy Tinder

Years ago I wrote USF Pres Privett to object to his having appointed a flagrant "partnered" homosexual to a faculty position. What a terrible example this is to the students,I emphasized. I copied, then Archbishop of San Francisco, Levada. I received no response from Levada. I did receive a letter from Privett scolding me for my lack of charity. Filth and degeneration are at the heart of this - what an insult to Our Lord and His Church! Having graduated from USF in 1958 as a returning Korean War Marine combat veteran, I have had my name removed from the list of alums. The smoke of Satan has entered my old alma mater. Those old Jesuit Black-Robes who were wonderful examples of masculine, strong and faithful manhood, must be terribly appalled! St. Ignatius, pray for us!

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