Read this statement from the Diocese of Brooklyn's ecumenical office. An excerpt explains the office's purpose: "To embrace and learn from the differences between us, rather than reconcile them, gives each of us a new understanding of conversion. Rather than seeking to change the faith of others, we hope that through dialogue our own hearts and minds can be changed, allowing us to see new images of God, new glimpses of Truth."
This is rubbish. The mission of our Church is to boldly proclaim the teachings of Christ, not coddle the errors of those who refuse to embrace Her truths. Any thoughts?
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Brooklyn Diocese Opposes Conversions. That is absolutly unbelievable. To think that they say these thing out loud and actually print make it obvious they haven't pick up a catechism in their life.
Peace Brother,
John
Posted by: John Bedard | Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 07:54 AM
I guess the words of the Lord, "Go forth and preach the Gospel to all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit...." have expired.
Posted by: Fr. Erik Richtsteig | Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 09:51 AM
This kind of bunk needs to be publically repudiated and the authors need to be reprimanded.
J
Posted by: john | Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 12:29 PM
What part of "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church" do they not understand?
I guess they care more about not hurting feelings and not stepping on toes, by not converting others away from their less-than-fully-true denominations, than they do about saving souls by bringing them into the One True Church. I wonder if their approach to ministry to the homeless and prostitutes is to give them shopping carts and condoms, leaving them in their lost and confused lives, rather than actually changing and improving their lives.
Posted by: Crocodylus Pontifex | Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 01:49 PM
I almost agree wholeheartedly.
I'm rushing this out as i'm leaving to sing at a service with my gospel group. i am the only Catholic among born-again prostestants. These protestants need no conversion. If the Brooklyn diocese is refrerring to other Christian faiths I have no argument.
But if they mean all faiths are equally adept at achieving eternal life with YHWH, that's heretical. I serve on a ministry in my church with people who believe that Islam, Buddhism, etc. are all valid. They weaken the Word of God.
Posted by: Joe Sterbinsky | Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 07:39 PM
I agree that this is rubbish. This smacks very much like religious pluralism which is contrary to all Christian principles. Very baffling.
Posted by: Russell Neglia | Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:17 AM
I agree... this statement is a blatant deviation from historical Church teaching. What end-goal are they trying to reach?
Posted by: Einstein | Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 10:20 AM
Well, I'm in the process of converting from Anglicanism to Roman Catholicism even as we speak. Would I be a disappointment to the Brooklyn Diocese? They'd prefer me to stay in the picturesque squalor of modern Anglicanism, I suppose, so they can admire the lovely mosaic of differing faiths surrounding them. I've got a proposal - for every one like me who converts, we can swap out with a member of the Diocesan ecumenical office. Since no faith is any better than any other, it can't make any difference to them whether they're RC, Anglican, Baptist, Muslim or whatever, right? I'm sure they'll enjoy the trip to wherever we're all going together in whatever denomination they happen to wind up in.
Posted by: Wanda | Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 10:31 AM
With all due respect to Crocodylus Pontifex, his "born again" Protestant friends need conversion to the Catholic faith (as do we Catholics, too!). Only there is the fullness of faith present. Only there are all the sacraments present that strengthen us on our journey. Obviously, there is salvation outside formal membership in the Catholic Church, but Church teaching is clear: the most secure place for a professing Christian to be is in Holy Mother Church. After 25 years or so as a "born again" Non-Denominational Evangelical Protestant, God graciously led me into the Church. To not attempt to bring other Christians into the Faith would be to lack Christian charity towards our separated brothers.
Posted by: Doug | Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 10:40 AM
Please include Brooklyn Diocese in your prayers, thats should be the real catholic way. NOT criticising.
Posted by: Micheal | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 11:55 PM
Having recently moved to the Brooklyn diocese from the diocese of Arlington, VA (there's a contrast!), I can confirm that this diocese does need your prayers. I have been to least 5 parishes within my neighborhood; all were half-empty on the main mass on Sunday. I also went to the single mass (yes, the only one) offered on Sunday at the Cathedral and was joined by about 150 other people. One could almost see the tumbleweeds rolling by. The bishop seems orthodox by most accounts, yet these days it seems like it takes more than just personal orthodoxy for a bishop to turn the ship of a diocese around. Often, it takes some getting rid of the old guard in the chancery offices too. Stuff like this emanating from some diocesan office seems a perfect example of what even good bishops face from those who work under them.
Posted by: Mark J. Macedon | Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 10:08 PM
Crocodylus Pontifex , how can u say that ur protestant friends dont need conversion. Christ founded his Church on Peter only not on any evangelical heretic from america. To say that protestants dont need conversion is no charitable. Caritas (charity) and Veritas (truth) must go hand in hand. We must "hate error but love those who err".
And besides you are part of a gospel group! Do you know of the heresy of indifference and the ban on praying with heretics.
Posted by: jakie | Friday, August 19, 2005 at 06:42 AM