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Saturday, October 22, 2005

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Martha Young

I don't agree that the GOP takes Catholics for granted, certainly not President Bush. By the way, his name is George W Bush. He is NOT a juniour! I wish anti-Bush people would get that straight. It's insulting because I think in most cases, they know better.

MJM

I have subscribed to and like New Oxford Review, but this article is short-sided at best. I am totally against the Harriet Miers nomination, but to compare her in any way with Justice Jhn Roberts is ignorant. And for us pro-lifers to "form a third party" would be the best guarantee of political irrelevancy that anyone could come up with.

Also, what is with the NOR using "neocon" to describe such diverse people as Fathers Pavone & Neuhaus and mssrs. Novak & George. They are some of the leading intellectual lights of Catholicism and the pro-life movement today and for NOR to use the term "neocon" as some pejorative only serves to discredit them and not their targets.

Get over yourself NOR with your "more pro-life than thou" attitude. Politics is the art of the possible, not the establishing heaven on earth. Grow up already.

W.

"neoconservative" seems to be their way of designating one who supports the war in Iraq and similar approaches to foreign policy. I did not expect Fr. Pavone to be lumped in there. I will have to look into his comments on the war.

One can be pro-life and support this war. To say otherwise is faulty reasoning and shows either, at best, a different understanding of what "pro-life" means or, worse off, an ignorance of moral distinctions that are drawn to support justice (and in that event likely killing of enemy combatants or terrorists) and respect for human life. Justice does not come without protecting the innocent and applying due punishment for crimes.

carol

I get NOR and it's no secret the editor hates this administration and probably every other. Moreover he and other hardliners to be saying, nominate someone to the Court who can't get confirmed! I don't like Miers either, was pulling for Edith Jones myself, but I don't think Bush was showing bad faith on this pick. It's just that he doesn't get it and has that non-lawyer's impatience with the legal establishment and all its folderol. He should defer but won't.

I'm hoping Miers gets shot down in the hearings, but it's not enough to make me go globally on the warpath against Bush, which NOR is wont to do in any case.

another carol

The NOR aside, I am disappointed in Bush and the the GOP. What's wrong with appointing someone openly pro-life? A lot of people in the country consider abortion murder, not just Catholics, and long to see Roe overturned. Maybe I just don't understand how things are in Washington but it seems to me we have to openly fight against what we think is wrong(evil). I voted for him thinking he would appoint pro-life judges and he's appointed someone who's never been a judge but kisses the ground he walks on and goes to his church. Maybe I was the sucker.

MikeM

What a load of nonsense. Incorrectly stating the President's name, flinging around "neocon" like it is a curse, using the phrase "Bush's war on Iraq". The war is our war, about time everyone understands that. No one is more "pro-life" than the Islamofascists!

Chris Naaden

Typical elitist brain-deadisms. By the way, I love being pigeon-holed and made into a lobbying group by our own side. How about a little respect for the big picture, too; abortion is the only pro-life issue. There is fetal stem cell research and the GWOT, just to name a couple.

joeh

There is only one party for Catholic to support and that is the Republican Party. It is the only pro life party that has a chance of being elected. Starting a third party in our country is not possible. The Democratic Party supports abortion in every possible manner and many also support end of life positions opposite what the church teaches as well as the destruction of embryonic life in the same manner as Hitler supported using people for medical tests. Their gay agenda is also contrary to church teaching. On the war we saw democrats clammering to go after Iraq through the year 2000 and this is well documented. Most voted for the war and then after our troops are in harms way leave them hanging with their cowardly retreat. I see no way to support this type of party.

joeh

And one more thing, which party is it that seems to be upset if a real believing Catholic is nominated for the Supreme Court? Of course it is the Democrats. Kerry said if elected he would have a litmus test and that only pro choice people would be chosen. That means only Catholics who are like Kennedy and Kerry, those outside their faith and open heretics could be chosen.

Scott Marian

The author of this past article must be a newly converted democrat. Someone else mentioned that the terms to describe those you disagree with as being pejorative and that is a valid statement. Yet, why is the author a democrat?? That is the manner in which a democrat argues. The left can not and does not argue the facts but slogans to diminish or harm their opposition.

As a former candidate for the State legislature here in Colorado in the 1994 election, I most certainly do identify myself as a Republican. Yet, the demographical mix of the Republican party is only 70% Prolife. Which means if that continues into the candidates for the U.S. Senate we will need a super majority to get a Prolife Judge to sit on the Supreme Court.
Yet, Catholics only vote 53% Prolife in the last election. I would like to know why we do not blame Roman Catholics for not voting Prolife as to the reason that Abortion is still an issue in this country. The Hispanic community shows polls at 78% Prolife and the same poll shows them 44% more conservative on abortion than the HOLY CHURCH. Yet, here in Colorado only 27.5% voted Prolife in the U.S. Senate race.

My solution to that problem is to put out a Catholics voter guide to every parish based only on the five isses that JPII said we should vote upon. If you have an interest in helping email me at [email protected]. We however will not be going into California for a while, primarily because the leadership is rather liberal and I doubt would permit us there as well as the liberal courts. Presently, a number of attorneys are writing a legal opinion to form the organization.

Samuel Crow

The idea that President Bush takes Pro-Lifers for granted makes me wonder why the words,"Unpopular War in Iraq". I think there is more of an agenda in this article than anything about Pro-Life. Not only do I believe it is not from an Orthodox Catholic but from another Ultra-liberal who claims to be Pro-Life trying to turn Catholics and other Pro-Life Americans against Bush. President Bush has done a great deal to insure that we have Justices who do not make law which is what Roe v. Wade. The complete list of those such as Priscilla Owens, and others is the proof. Bush has said that he is opposed to Abortion and has taken action unlike Kerry, Clinton, Ted Kennedy and others to stop Abortion on demand. He has shown to the public that this is not a women's right issue as those secular politicans have tried to frame it. Rather is is a moral question of do we have a right as a society to kill.

Xristoforos McAvoy

This article says the exact same thoughts I've had in my head. The New Oxford Review has my utmost respect. If anyone has an understanding and basis to throw around the word neo-conservative it is them.

"Before Crisis and First Things were even founded, the NOR was contacted by a neocon foundation -- right out of the blue. The foundation wanted to give us money -- 'free' money. A fellow flew out from the East Coast and asked me (the Editor) to meet him for drinks in a San Francisco restaurant -- on him. Sure! (We were desperate for money.) He told me he would fund us regularly -- if we would support corporate capitalism and if we would support a militaristic U.S. foreign policy." What I didn't say was that the fellow was a Jewish neocon with no interest in Christianity or Catholicism, and I suspected he was interested in getting us to promote Jewish neocon interests (which he had every right to do). As we said in the September Editorial, I said "no," and that was the end of that. But the neocon foundations didn't give up. "

New Oxford Review is 100% subscriber sustained, no lobbyists, bribery or politicization. People are easy to fool. The Truth is far more powerful than any weapon of mass destruction. The truth is Allah, Theos, God.

brother lesser

Fr. Richard Neuhaus is one of the greatest minds in the world today. To label him a neocon is to sell the man short. I think it appropriate to label him "Orthodox Catholic" and be done with it!

A Simple Sinner

The Devil You Know v. The Devil You Do Not Know

What I can say in favor of the GOP and their use of the PL plank to bring "us people" in is this:

While I do not believe most of the party is all that sincere about the plank, and most of them would not really break a nail to stop an abortion, just enough of us out here are tolerated and thrown some crumbs and appeased. One day in heaven we MAY meet another soul who got there because even the smallest prolife action or legislation lead to his or her birth. The glimmer of hope is that even one more soul is brought into the beatific vision.

So why do I vote pro-life? Because even though I know R v. W will not be overturned any time soon... and barring a Divine rebuke abortions will not end, I will vote for the party that may at least slow the process down, not fund it, and thereby give a minute fighting chance to "one more soul".

David

"One day in heaven we MAY meet another soul who got there because even the smallest prolife action or legislation lead to his or her birth."

I wonder if the Catholic stance on unbaptized babies pertains to aborted babies as well. If you, we may get to meet them after all (presuming WE blog-writers get there ;-) )

A Simple Sinner

David,

I sure hope so.

When I was contemplating a retrun to the church one of the things that horrified me was that I would NOT achieve the beatific vision if I did not come back. The idea that I would not spend eternity with Jesus and the saints at one point made me wake up in the midde of the night and weep. Stray thoughts of suicide that entered my head (even when secular) scared me because I was worried I would not be with God forever in Heaven.

I hope we all make it.

Theresa

Wow, this is an old article, but thanks to all who made recent comments here so I could get it on my radar. I really like this article. It expresses frustrations I've had with BOTH parties for so long. A third party is in order!

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