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Thursday, November 17, 2005


Thomas McMahon

Nowhere in the lengthy LA Times piece are the words "homosexual" or "gay" to be found. I find that surprising.


Can anyone tell me why and how Mahoney became a Cardinal? Why isn't he censured or removed from office? How old is he? How much longer must we endure him?

The Catholic Knight

I can tell you that Mahoney became a cardinal under the pontificate of Pope John Paul II. What I can't tell you is why. I do know that JP2 had to rap his knuckles a few times after he was elevated to the level of cardinal, mainly for coming out soft of homosexuality in one way or another. (Hmmm. Isn't that interesting, since the majority of the sex-abuse was homosexual in nature.) It makes one wonder if JP2 ever had second thoughts about Mahoney. I'm betting he did.

Just an interesting side note about JP2. In communist Poland, the most common way the government would discredit any religious clergyman it disliked was by spreading false rumors about him being secretly a homosexual. My understanding is that this was a common tactic used by the Soviets all throughout their evil empire. Consequently, JP2 developed a habit of just completely ignoring any and all accusations of homosexuality in the clergy. Rumor has it, that it was a character trait much bemoaned by his close friends and allies, as it was frequently exploited by his enemies, especially in the west.


Having just watched some of the Bishops Conference in Washington, I believe we have a long way to go not only in LA but in our country. We still have a majority of Bishops who are left and dissenters. We have miles to go before we sleep.
I often ask if the church has totally abandoned excommunication. In the last 40 years we have had more and stronger dissent and yet few if any excommunications. I guess there was the hope that if we just ignored them, they would go away. Well, we now see the impact of doing this. You cannot ignore evil, if simply grows more bold. I am also amazed that Catholics who are faithful and support the church have not revolted so strongly that we remove these folks on a rail with generous amounts of tar and feathers. While we struggle to find ways to fund our children in Catholic schools, millions will be given out to those abused. And even when we can afford the cost, we send them only to discover dissent in the Catholic Schools. They ignore the Pope with arrogance and look for wiggle room and for ways to slowly infiltrate all that is good in the Church. I bet that if there was a revolt by those who actually believe in the teachings of the Church, there would be a fast call for excommunication by those threatened.
We are at war with our culture and unfortunately, this includes that within our Catholic Church.


And one more thing. This post talked about the massive amount of abuse in this dioceses and of the involvement of Mahoney. Where is the outrage we saw with the Cardinals name was Bernard Law? Could it be because the media loves Mahoney and he is of the same persuasion as the MSM?

David Smith

The below was sent to all students at St. John's Seminary (I am a lay MA student):

Letter to the Editor
Los Angeles Times

After giving lengthy interviews and after responding to scores of
questions posed either in emails or phone calls over the past six
months, after all that, I still find myself writing this letter in
regard to your story about St. John's Seminary. I would characterize it
as 70 column inches of reporting stuck in a 30-year-old time warp.

Your story alleges that decades ago the Seminary may have been less
thorough than it should have been in preparing young men for the
priesthood. But it ignores the fact that the vast and overwhelming
majority of Seminary graduates have gone on to rich and useful lives of

Indeed, most of the extraordinary parish priests serving in Southern
California today are graduates of St. John's Seminary, men who have
dedicated their lives to the service of God and the needs of the
millions of parishioners in the largest Catholic archdiocese in the
country. There is no mention at all of their tireless efforts to provide
both spiritual and physical sustenance to those in need or to provide
leadership in our communities in addressing issues like homelessness or
poverty that afflict too many in our population.

Nowhere in this story is there a mention of what we have said
repeatedly: That we have been humbled by this crisis and have worked
diligently to make sure it won't happen again. Just as our churches are
providing mandatory training, education and, yes, even screening to our
thousands of priests, teachers and volunteers who work with children, we
have instituted tough application and admission standards that include
psychological testing and background checks. Our formation program
prepares candidates for priesthood to live well balanced, celibate
lives. And the result of these efforts can be seen in another important
fact that was given to the Times but omitted from the story: In the last
20 years, we have ordained 155 priests for the Los Angeles Archdiocese.
Of those, two have been accused -- or 1.29%. Of course we are not happy
with any number above zero, but this statistic reflects the success of
our more informed approach to this problem that afflicts our entire

Three and one-half years ago, St. John's Seminary had a comprehensive
re-accreditation visit by a joint team representing our two accrediting
agencies: The Association of Theological Schools in the United States
and Canada (ATS) and the Western Association of Schools and Colleges
(WASC). We were highly praised for our formation program and received
the maximum re-accreditation granted by each agency (ten years from ATS
and eight years from WASC).

Yes, the paper has an obligation to examine the past. But doesn't it
have an equal obligation to inform its readers of the reforms that have
taken place as a result of lessons learned?

Reverend Monsignor Helmut A. Hefner
St. John's Seminary

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