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Tuesday, August 22, 2006

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 Atlanta Catholic's Wife

This is a great betrayal! So much for the protective covering! George just removed it himself!

brother lesser

The problem that I see is that we have ten thousand pro-life organizations, all fragmented, attempting to "storm the Bastille."

If we were to all gather together as one single unified force, we could accomplish so much more. Instead of having a thousand platoons or companies, by having one gigantic army marching together, we could accomplish so much more...but man, by his very nature, is territorial and thus succeptable to failure.

 Atlanta Catholic's Wife

Amen..Amen to Brother Lesser! You hit the nail on the head! In other words...Original Sinners!

Ruth Anne

I wonder what Catholic brother Jeb is telling non-Catholic brother W.

Some Day

Betrayed?
I am sorry but if you guys thought that a politician like Mr.Bush is a heroe or something of the sort, then you guys got your admiration in the wrong person...
POLITICIANS!?
The majority aren't Catholic, if they are support things not of the Catholic spirit and the MAJORITY of them are Masons or some kind of organization that warrants excommunication.
Sooo many things.
I place my hope on the only government and monarchy that still is faithful to the Church.
Long live The Pope!

Some Day

And as bad as abortion is,
that is an evil resulting from greater and deeper evils.
To kill a snake you got to hit it on the head.

Brian

What do you expect from a member of a secret society?

Welcome to the New World Order

Some Day

The way you express yourself Mr.Brian brings discredit to your idea.
Don't be an impressionist when you speak about that subject.

Teophilus

Bush is neither pro-life nor pro-choice. He has got no stronger beliefs. He is a politician and most politicians are godless. Their professed religiosity is just theater for the masses. That is the main result of the destruction of the links between state and religion brought about by the French Revolution. Dont be stunned by this, as worse is to come. Keep the faith and pray for the conversion of sinners and for the souls of aborted babies who are denied the beatific vision by not having been baptised.

Constance Reader

I beg your pardon, but as a Catholic woman who works in the healthcare field, I must point out that you are mistaken in your understanding of Plan B. It does not cause abortion, it prevents pregnancy, which is the implantation of a fertilized egg into the wall of the uterus. It is useful to know 50% to 80% of fertilized eggs fail to implant in the womb regardless of whether the woman is practicing any family planning techniques. The only pill that terminates an existing pregnancy is RU-486.

Plan B has the exact same ingredient and mechanism of action as the dozens of regular dose birth control pills: it arrests the ovulation cycle so that no egg is released. If an egg has already been released, Plan B has no effect. If an egg has already been released and fertilized, Plan B has no effect.

Please note that regular dose birth control pills can also be used as emergency contraception, you simply take more of them (usually four) for two or three days after intercourse. Again, if the egg has already been released prior to taking the pills, there will be no effect.

You do all women, not just Catholic women, a serious disservice by propagating such erroneous medical information. It also leads to negative perceptions of all Catholics, not just those who share your opinion on this issue.

Theresa

Nowhere in your lengthy explanation do you cite how Plan B effects the lining of the uterus or the mobility of an egg through the fallopian tubes. Since you compare the "preventive properties" of Plan B to birth control pills, I'm guessing that like birth control pills, there is that same chance of escape ovulation. Therefore, there is a chance that a fertilized egg could be sabotaged due to decreased mobility in the fallopian tube or it could end up in the uterus and not be able to implant itself....because the lining of the uterus is so thin (due to hormone levels). As a Catholics we believe that it is not our place to interfere with the reproductive process, because that is "playing God" and interfering with every person's right to life.

On a side note I believe that the true feminists in this country are those who refuse to pumped full of synthetic hormones......taking pills everyday......increasing our risk of blood clots and breast cancer.....just because we are so scared to death of God's plan. Maybe that involves having a baby, maybe it doesn't. It is all about choices.....will you play God or will you let God do his job? Personally, I think God is more qualified.

Theresa

Anyway......this is what the FDA says
"Plan B works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. Plan B acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary (ovulation). It may prevent the union of sperm and egg (fertilization). If fertilization does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb (implantation). If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B, Plan B will not work."

3 ways to play God....cool.....in a new compact form!

TM Lutas

The generally accepted incrementalist strategy of the pro-life movement is going to produce these nasty moments. I don't think a workable electoral majority is out there right now to support banning Plan B, especially since you're essentially regularizing a different dosing package for an already approved chemical.

So how much can you restrict this before the unpopular issue pushes back the whole pro-life movement's progress on education and turning people towards life? Restricting access to minors probably *does* have a workable majority to support it and will likely reduce this pill's use, saving lives.

Now you can abandon incrementalism. You can go for broke on a human life amendment. But not too many people actually advocate that because there's a pretty strong consensus that it won't work and we'll just end up with a bunch more dead babies. But I think that incrementalism made this moment inevitable and continuing down that path will make future such moments inevitable.

As long as it's two steps forward, one back, and not the reverse I'll be satisfied and stick with the long-haul winning strategy. But every step back will break my heart all over again. Your mileage may vary.

genevieve

We are contracepting ourselves out of existence! The irony is God will --as always-- honor our free will and let us suffer the consequences of our "choices". See www.realclearreligion.com

Some Day

Constance,
Regardless, it is still a sin to to use it either and maybe it warrants better explaination but definetly not a defence.

juan parodi

With five Catholic justices on the Supreme Court, and the election of someone like Sam Brownback for President, we Catholics will not have to worry about those who think they have "free will".

As our holy father Pope Pius IX, in his Encyclical Letter of August 15, 1854, said: "The absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defense of liberty of conscience are a most pestilential error--a pest, of all others, most to be dreaded in a state."

It is quite clear that the state has the right to stop the sin of abortion, and women have no right to claim control over their bodies in such matters. Bush should be expelled!

We should pray for a Catholic President, but not the liberal Democrat sort. Boy was that a mistake to elect Kennedy.

I love the commenter who said "We are contracepting ourselves out of existence!" Yes, we're down to our last 7 billion people! How will humanity survive!

Anyway, the idea that Plan B is "abortion in a pill" is just plain false, although a falsehood that plenty of folks are happy to spread. Plan B prevents the egg from being fertilized. It does basically the same thing a condom does, except instead of creating a physical barrier, it works chemically.

Now, if you're opposted to birth control in any form for religious reasons, fine, you're welcome to make that argument against Plan B. But don't pretend that it's something it isn't.

Theresa

Check the FDA website. This is what they say about plan B:

"Plan B works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. Plan B acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary (ovulation). It may prevent the union of sperm and egg (fertilization). If fertilization does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb (implantation). If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B, Plan B will not work."

Note the "IF FERTILIZATION DOES OCCUR" Interesting. Might be a small chance, but hey, even the FDA admits it COULD happen.

Funky Dung
"'Plan B' is a euphemism for abortion in a pill."

As someone trained in science, the strongest statement I'd be willing to make is that Plan B may impede implantation in a very small percentage of uses, thus far the only methods of action that have been positively demonstrated are pre-fertilization. There may yet be reason to call abortifacient, but right now medical science doesn't strongly support that conclusion.

A Simple Sinner

There may yet be reason to call abortifacient, but right now medical science doesn't strongly support that conclusion.

This MAY be the case... And in the interest of perhaps clarifying how this artifical birth control works that is a useful distinction. But it remains off limits to Catholics wishing to observe the prohibition against A.B.C.

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