"EU a Christian Club?"

There is an interesting article at the Catholic News Agency about the Holy Father's upcoming trip to Turkey.

(Hat tip to Tom Peters at www.Americanpapist.com)

Patriarch cautions Turks against violent protests during Pope’s visit.

Istanbul, Nov. 20, 2006 (CNA)

"The spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians cautioned Turks, in an interview published in Sunday’s Sabah newspaper, against creating potential "unpleasant incidents" during Pope Benedict XVI's trip to Turkey next week.

Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I said the Pope's trip, scheduled for Nov. 28-Dec. 1, was a great opportunity for the country, and one that should not be disrupted by violent protest.

He warned that if protests turn violent, they could cause problems for Turkey in its efforts to join the European Union.

"The Pope has a say in all Catholic countries," Bartholomew reportedly told Sabah. "If there are psychologically unpleasant incidents, then this would be an issue in Brussels in December. Even if not at the official level, they would talk about it between themselves."

Bartholomew, however, said he would tell the pontiff that "it is not wrong for Turkey to become a member of the EU as a Muslim country because it would bring mutual richness."

"The EU should not remain as a Christian club," the newspaper quoted Bartholomew as saying."

Would that the EU were a Christian club!

The days of Europe, specifically western Europe, defending Christendom are sadly over.

Comments

[THE ALLIES SHALL WIN]

if the days of western europe are over let us join in Christ and bring them back! Evangelicals, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic Christians join in the zeal of that Holy Saint Paul Apostle to the Gentiles and take Western Europe BACK for Christ. I do NOT believe Our beloved Lord will leave us as orphans. But neither do we have to sit around and do nothing until His coming. I encourage all Christians to pray (for the prayer of the righteous availath much), and to GO OUT into their daily lives and spread the faith as if we lived in the old pagan Europe again. What do modern secular Europeans have that is so good? Sex and drugs and such nonesense. As Saint Augustine said: "there is a God sized hole in man that cannot be satisfied apart from Him". And Saint Chrysostom said:

"It is clear through unlearned men that the cross was persuasive; in fact, it persuaded the whole world.
Paul had this in mind when he said, "The weakness of God is stronger than men." That the preaching of these men was indeed divine is brought home to us in the same way. For how otherwise could twelve uneducated men, who lived on lakes and rivers and wastelands, get the idea for such an immense enterprise? How could men who perhaps had never been in a city or public square hink of setting out to do battle with the whole world? That they were fearful, timid men, the evangelist makes clear; he did not reject the fact or try to hide their weaknesses. Indeed he turned these into a proof of the truth. "

Unlike the lie of Islam Christianity spread by word of mouth (not force of sword) hence its truth revealed itself divine. That coupled with the fact that men hunger for Christ should inspire us all: Roman Catholics, Evangelical Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic Christians to keep on fighting the good fight for we WILL reap if we do not faint.
Peace and Grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you my fellow lovers of the light from above.

[jack bennett]

You have to cut the Patriarch a lot of slack here, from what I understand most of the leaders of the tiny Christian minority want Turkey to be in the EU because then Turkey would have to follow EU guidelines on religious freedom, which currently despite it being a supposedly "secular" state it treats all non-Muslims as second-class citizens, especially the Patriarchate.

[TM Lutas]

For Islam, there are no zones that are off limits for dawa and conversion. This should be true for christianity as well. Europe will come back to a faith, may it be in Christ. But we should not forget to work for the conversion of Turkey as well.

[Pontifex]

Gobble GOBBLE!!!

[A Simple Sinner]

At one point the Pat. of Const. had property in Switzerland set aside for the possibility - and at times it looked like more than just a possibility - that the Patriarchate would not longer be able to function in Turkey.

Reminds me of a Jewish or Catholic kid hoping his parents will be accepted to the very WASP country club down the street. Not so much for the equality, justice or social standing, mostly because he wants the tennis lessons.

Of course, if I were the PoC in Instanbul - even today - I am sure I would be hoping for it with all my little Greek heart too. Almost 1000 years of Turkish Muslim hospitality can't be easy.

[TM Lutas]

A Simple Sinner - Your point is well taken but 500 years, surely.

[A Simple Sinner]

TM- Yes, you are right! I did know better, I will blame it on the touch of food poisoning I have been struggling with since last Thursday!

Such an elementary mistake - that was embarassing!

[Some Day]

My friends, the Crusades never ended.
Just a very long cease-fire.
Spain and France served the Church so much...
Maybe in the turmoil ahead the Church will triumph in those countries again.
Persecution makes the faithful stronger.
Amen Veni Domine!

[Veritas]

A Message from His Beatitude Ignatius IV to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI

A Message from His Beatitude Ignatius IV (Hazim)
Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and all the East
to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI

No. 3/663
17th September, 2006-09-18

To Your Most Venerable Holiness Pope Benedict XVI

Salutations and best wishes for your health:

We have followed with extreme anxiety your statements and the angry reactions that accompanied them over the course of the last days. In this regard, we would like to clarify to Your Holiness some essential points that Eastern Christians live by and believe in. More than any others, they have knowledge, experience and understanding of Christianity and Islam together, for they have been in a state of coexistence, cooperation and harmony from the beginning of the Islamic mission until now.

We have established the best of relationships, built on respect for religions and for everyone's freedom to practice rites as he wishes and according to his belief in the teachings of his religion and the principles of his divine law. This springs from the fact that both the essential and preeminent relationship between Christianity and Islam, and the culture of individual coexistence, have sprung from the East, from this land of sacred religions. Pope John Paul II praised - as you know - this coexistence and relationship, which he knew and read about, and which he observed during his historical visit to Syria. The accounts of this visit, what was written and what was said about it have become part of Vatican history and one of the stages of development that the late Pope desired.

We do not wish to plunge into discussing the relationship of Christianity to Islam and Islam to Christianity - a relationship filled with standpoints consecrating coexistence and mutual respect, which we cannot pass by in these circumstances. Likewise, we do not wish to recall that the longest Surah appearing in the Noble Qur'an speaks with emphatic respect and appreciation for Christianity.

We, however would like to point out that talking about religion as an academic subject of research does not rise to the truth that religion is a doctrine and a faith practiced by believers. Everyone has the right, the full right, to practice his religious rites as he wishes. There is no room here to consider religion as more of an intellectual topic than a matter of belief, for discussing it in this way touches the understanding and belief. We are hoping that you may take part in raising the essence of religions from the field of dialogues, intellectual efforts and citations that have been effaced by time, and that there may be a complete rapprochement of these doctrinal fixed points of the religions from a contemporary perspective, and not from the perspective of the Middle Ages.

We assert that religion is not so much for the practice of intellectual and philosophical refinement as it is for living and coexisting in love, so far as this harmonizes with beliefs, divine laws and rites. This is what has specially marked the East, which we have lived in from the beginning of the heavenly messages until now.

We ask for your prayers and we extend to you our best wishes.

Ignatius IV, Patriarch of Antioch and all the East

Ignatius IV

Greek Orthodox Patriarch
of Antioch and all the East

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[THE ALLIES SHALL WIN]

from:
http://www.kafirnation.com/myth2.htm

The Jews and Christians were considered evil people because they rejected mohamed as a prophet of god as they knew of the true God and it was rather obvious that he wasn't a prophet sent from Him.

Jesus is the perfect example of love and tolerance

" So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (Gospel of John 8:7)

Muhammed was the perfect opposite:

"The Prophet (Muhammad) said: 'Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child.' After the birth she was put into a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone, which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried."
(Hadith No. Muslim 682)

[Christians follow the bible muslims have the quran and hadith (life of muhammed) books]

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Therefore muslims who want to follow Muhammed MUST stone the adultress and kill the in the name of jihad for Allah (as good muslims do).

JESUS SHOWED MERCY
MUHAMMED SHOWED HATE

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THIS is the difference between them and us my fellow Christians. Whether you are protestant or evangelical or Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox or Copt --we in Christ know good and evil when we see it.

Expose the lies of Islam in your individual areas ! Fight the good fight in the Lord. Dont let these monsters take Europe and the free world!

www.jihadwatch.org
www.mychristian.blood

[THE ALLIES SHALL WIN]

Muslims are given universal commands for ALL times to kill nonmuslims and subjugate them to pay the nonbeliever tax (jizya):

From their holy book quran and hadith:

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”

Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

more at:
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405

[Ronald McCullum]

REAL QUOTES FROM KORAN:

http://answeringPROPHETOFDOOM.net/Islamic_Quotes.php

"And KILL them where ever you find them..." Quran 2:191

http://answeringPROPHETOFDOOM.net/Islam_in_Action_Kill_Them_Where_Ever_You_Find_Them.php