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Wednesday, November 08, 2006

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Carol Blankfield

to whomever posted on Nov. 9 at 4:11.

You obviously don't know me as well as you think.
You said, "bitter", why would I be bitter?'
No sympathy? You know this because...

Not open to "radical conversion"?

You really, really don't know me.

carol

Fernando

Beeline,

The only thing I know about you is that you are a Saint Mary’s parishioner based only on your statements since you do not have the courage to use your real name. I was under the suspicion that you were someone in particular, but sometimes I am not sure since this particular person is not fond us using insults such as the f word here at the blog against people he does not agree with. Something you have done before.

Fernando Guido
(my real name, what’s yours)

Fernando

Beeline,

You are calling me a sick puppy? lol. You the one who speak of Christian topics and then uses the f word to insult those with whom he does no agree with. Give me a break.

Fernando Guido
(courage to use my real name)

Beeline

RadTrad--
Here is a decent definition of radtrad as put forth by the below link:

http://www.jimmyakin.org/2006/04/overcoming_temp.html


What is my definition of radical Traditionalism? Unlike a devotion to the ancient Catholic customs and disciplines of the Church, radical Traditionalism is when a Catholic allows himself to become so disillusioned with genuine problems in the Church, such as liturgical abuses, and begins to reject the Church’s authority to regulate the Church’s customs and disciplines. RadTrads are most commonly found attending schismatic and “independent” Catholic chapels, but can also be found filling the pews of indult Tridentine Masses. I must quickly add that not all (or even most) indult attendees are RadTrads -- for example, I personally know a number of Traditionalists who can in no way be termed “RadTrad,” who simply prefer the Tridentine liturgy, and who dislike the black eye given the movement by RadTrads. But I can say that the RadTrads are likely to be at least part of the reason many bishops hesitate to expand permission to celebrate the indult Tridentine or to form indult Tridentine parishes.

Fernando

What does the definition of RadTrad has to do with illegal immigration and global warming?

Lets talk about sick puppies, shall we?

Fernando Guido
(courage to use my real name)

Fernando

When should I expect for you to start using the f word on this blog? What would bring you to the breaking point? I do not know how can I even began discussing Christian topics with someone who uses profane words, refers to the Hispanics at Sain Joaquim in a demeaner manner such as "a bunch of mexican?"

Fernando Guido
(courage to use my real name)

Fernando

Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, ......

ron richards

I prefer to coin them Mad Trads, who are fed up with the obvious & blatant distortions, & blasphemy. They seek the Latin Mass for Reverence, Peace & because it is pleasing to God, unchanged for over 1000 years.

Father O Connor has some amazing points. If you like, please share.
Very relevant today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGub_NUa0W0

vincero

I don't know. I see the lady kneeling with her hands folded; then she stands. The Bishop appears not to have grabbed her. Am I missing something?

Fernando

Vincero,

The fact that is not so easy to determine what actually happened is evidance that this was not a setup. Besides this has done this before and the woman herself already told you what happened. It that not enough?

Susan Westberg

Beeline, my heart and prayers go out to you and your family. I am grateful that I live in the heartland and not in the Diocese of Orange. Tod Brown was my Bishop when we lived in Idaho. I was even surprised to see him in the confessional for the confession times held before Christmas. He was a little toned-down in Idaho, as its a pretty conservative area---but he also pushed not kneeling after the Lamb of God. To all of you who have put folks down for speaking out against abuses----liturgical ones now, wake up. Problems of abuse must be reported to the proper authorities. If the Bishop doesn't care, like the Army, you need to go up the chain of command. You can't fix the problem until you know whats broken!!! And you can't bring up the problems to the higher authorities by accusation alone---you need proof. How do we get the proof?----by sending in photos, video and or sound clips of things said or done.-----In other words, EVIDENCE! Remember, BAD THINGS HAPPEN WHEN GOOD MEN SAY NOTHING. We have a duty to obedience for those in authority--I really believe that-- but Gods laws and those laws of the Universal church take precidence. One should be kind and show respect, but if the Bishops, who have been entrusted with the clergy under them and the souls whom they need to direct in the right paths--then God have mercy on those who teach falsehoods and use their great commission in leading others astray. We need to continue to pray for the cleansing of our church, so that it may become stronger, more faithful and reverent, and pray for holy men to lead us. No matter what, continue to pray for Bishop Brown and all our priests and Bishops. God Bless you all.

vincero

Fernando,
Perhaps, but I keep thinking about the guy who catches his wife in bed with another man and she says, "Who are you goin' to believe, me or your lyin' eyes?"

Fernando

Vincero,

I am foreigner, I get mostof the Americana lingos and cliches, but that is one that I have not been able to understand? Also, how would that comment fit into this scenario?

Fernando

Carol Blankfield

Vincero,

go here
http://closedcafeteria.blogspot.com/2006/04/mean-tod-brown.html (read the comments)
and go to (Original post here) and read the comments


and look at the first shot (first link)- on the far side (beneath the grand piano opened) you can see B. Brown bending over and grabbing my folded hands.

Shot # 2 shows him bending over toward me again - at that point he is grabbing my upper arm.

Then he stood up straight (shot # 3) and hollered, (when I very quietly asked "Why?") "Because THAT'S THE WAY WE RECEIVE COMMUNION HERE. NOW GET UP, you're causing a scene"

Thanks for your post
Carol

Susan Westberg

I think I gave the incorrect name earlier. My thoughts and prayers do go out to Beeline, but I was especially moved by Michael Teissere's story. I pray that action will happen and that Gods grace and love will sustain you and your family. All things come to those who wait upon the Lord. I can see that you love the church and only want what is best--don't worry, as I heard Mother Angelica once say, she said, don't worry, because Gods going to clean house. I believe he's starting to do it now.

Nate Wildermuth

Fernando,

You're saying it is wrong to stand?

Fernando

Nate,

You are a lost cause. Are you under the influence of a substance or what? When did I said that it is wrong to stand? If you are going to read more into my comments than what I actually wrote, then I think it is a waist of time to have a conversation with you. Which of my comments compelled you to ask me that question? Tell me because I am amazed that you even dare to ask me said question based on the comments I have posted.

Fernando

Fernando

Nate,

You are hopeless. Time after time you read more into my comments than you should, like the time you said that I was comparing child porn with denying Holy Communion to a communicant. Give me a break, stop smoking that stuff and come back to your senses.

Fernando

Michael

The problems that guys like Nate and Lewis have with what the traditionalists are trying to accomplish stems from their blind obedience to whatever the bishops tell them to do. It is fruitless to engage them in meaningful debate on the issues because they will always retreat to the position that "because the bishop says it, we must follow". They claim traditional Catholics are more concerned with their own piety than the Church's, without realizing that the Church is LOSING ITS PIETY! It's a convenient escape from having to feel any responsibility for their actions. It's the familiar "I was just following orders" refrain that has been used all throughout history, most infamously by the Nazis. Yep, that's right, I'm comparing the actions of those who would blindly follow their bishop without true heart-felt reflection on whether or not he's correct, to the actions of both the Nazis as well as ordinary German citizens who blindly followed their "fuhrer" in the same way. (Note, not all German citizens were Nazis, to the contrary, you needed to be part of the "elite" to be allowed in the party.)

Nate, and folks like him, won't debate whether our bishop is leading our diocese in becoming more or less pious, they will only parrot the bishops dictates, and claim that any dissent is treasonous. They will make frivoulous and flimsy arguments that because some miniscule fraction of the faithful are physically unable to kneel, that everyone shouldn't kneel. Meanwhile, the devil is handing out communion. Meanwhile, Servite High School's football team uses the AC/DC song "Hell's Bells" as their theme song.

When the time comes that each of us meets our Maker, He'll want to know we have done to show proper worship to Him for all that He's given us, most notably His Son. And should anyone be found lacking, I doubt that "I did it because I was told to do it" will satisfy Him. It's also sure that those who would be found to have led the faithful AWAY from Him, will have a particularly harsh price to pay.

Of course, while Nate's views are disappointing, they are not surprising, for the majority of Americans live every day of their lives blindly believing what their "leaders" tell them, because they're too lazy to do their own thinking. Take nothing at face value people, except the Holy Bible, and the Holy Father when he speaks on issues of dogma. The Church is now, and has always been, run by men, who are by their very nature, prone to sin and mistake. Exercise your minds and read between the lines of everything you see and hear in this world, because the Evil One is much smarter than we, and can fool us all unless we keep our eyes on the Lord.

Nate, if you can temporarily discard all the feelings of betrayal, jealousy, grudge, and righteousness that your debate with traditionalists engenders within you, I encourage you to pray sincerely and humbly on the issue of whether the Catholic Church today is becoming more or less holy. Once you can do this, the Way becomes clear.

Beeline

>Fernando,
>You're saying it is wrong to stand?

To be fair to Nate someone should point out that a one-line QUESTION was asked not a DECLARATION.

The response and attitude by Fernando does not match the question.

Fernando

Beeline,

But he has already asked the question more than once and it seems that he does not want to read or acknowledge my response. What can you do when you have someone who seems to want to engage you in a discussion and then ignores your comments? Besides, I have never even eluded to a similar statement and for him to draw such conclusion is just doen't make sense.

Fernando

Fernando

Beeline,

In the spirit of a healthy discussion, Christian charity, and as a third party, can you search, then copy and paste from my statements portions that even elude to me saying and believing that is wrong to stand?

Fernando

Beeline

Fernando, not to be disrespectful, but I've never really seen you as fairminded, you always seem more eager to please your side or team, rather than deal head on with a direct,fair response to something that someone has said.
Your typically off on tangents as responses to people with whom you disagree.

..and I am saying this after comparing your
threads on JimmyAkin.org also.

Fernando

Beeline,

You are entitled to your opinion on the way I conduct myself. The funny thing is that I do not have that many friends on this valley of tears and I believe that contradicts you assertion that I want to please my team. The Traditionalists do not like me because I want to point out the problems, but stay faithful to the Magisterium. I believe things they have cease to believe long time ago. The other side does not like me neither because I "criticize the bishops" and that is a big no no because in their opinion we are suppose to obey them no matter what. By the way, what does JimyAkin 's website has do with anything? I have not posted comments there for the longest time.

But coming back to my question, can you find a statement on this treat that eludes to me saying that standing to receive Holy Communion is wrong? That’s all I ask.

Fernando

Beeline

Listen now, I dont have much respect for you.
You have said sooo many mean and rude things to me in this thread, I dont even see how you could even further engage me in serious conversation. My previous statements stand.
You figure it out.
...and this conversation is over.

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