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Thursday, April 26, 2007

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James


"raised questions about Braxton's ministerial style..."

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Because you know - he offended someone; he got somebody upset. Oh my! Oh my!

It's about time someone got upset about the state of affairs in the Catholic Church US!

So - a lady will actually have to demonstrate knowledge of something before she's confirmed!

In our parish - our new and generally orthodox priest is insisting on an interview (and a tough one) with each teen confirmee to be.

You couldn't believe the sturm und drang from some parents.

There's hope.

James

Humboldt

When will an African-American be appointed cardinal? It is just time.

Thomistic

It is good to hear about good bishops, even if it is meant to contrast anything I post about a bad bishop.

I always know which posts of mine will spur you to post.

It's like clockwork, actually. ;)

I just wish your posts got more comments, because they are good topics, worthwhile, and uplifting, and they definitely are supportive of the members of the clerical state, which shows a love of Christ and his Church.

Shoot me an email.

Pax,

Thomistic

Thomistic

P.S. I can help your posts not to look so clunky when you include pictures.

Pax,

Thomistic

A Simple Sinner

Maybe we could use an old liberal ploy and accuse dissidents of being racist when they disagree?

Nah, seems to easy.

Extra prayers for Bishop Edward K. Braxton of Belleville, Illinois!

Keep it up Excellency! Keep it up!

Simple

Dude

Sinner,

Funny!

We need to get the good news out regarding the new Archbishop of Minneapolis/St. Paul.

Pax.

Qualis Rex

After reading the article, I agree with Amy that there are definitely two sides to this story. But from the sound of it, Bishop Braxton made a good call. The fact that the catechumen throught she got a "pass" for being 20 years old makes me think she was confusing Catholicism with the DMV rules for getting a drivers license. And without proof of her Baptismal records etc, it sounded like a good choice all around.

I can only hope that this was handled very diplomatically so as not to humiliate or drive the catechumen further away from the church. But hopefully she will realize that this is not a sacrament to be taken at all lightly and come back armed with knowledge of the faith.

Humboldt, regarding your comment, I think it is a blessing when members of ANY race receive the grace of the Catholic church and ANY good clergy should be in the position of Bishop and Cardinal, as we need more good clergy all around in the magesterium. But yes, demographically, I think there need to be many more African Cardinals.

Alpin

I can see the Bishop's point here, but I
don't agree with some of the other things he has said.

For example:

In a lengthy article he wrote a few months ago (should still be online somewhere), he
argued that 'Catholics pray to Allah too',
and that the God of the Muslims was the God of the Christians.

Now, I'm no theologian, but I think the
Church would not support this Bishop's
contentions if they were more widely-known
in Rome.

What do you think?

-Alpin

spaxx

Applause for the Bishop Edward K. Braxton.

Qualis Rex

Alpin, "Allah" simply means "god" in Arabic. Arabic Christians use the word "Allah" for God in their prayers (although many also use the more ancient Syriac "Aloho" if their liturgy contains Aramaic). So, the Bishop is 100% correct in that. Now, Muslims believe "Allah" is God's actual name (like YHWH for Jews) while Christians use it generically like the word "God" in English. Slight difference, but the point is the same.

As to your second statement, Bishop Braxton states "The God of Israel, Abba Father, the God of Jesus Christ and Allah the God of Islam is the SAME God, since there is only one God." This is debateable, but the bishop has not said anything contrary to church teaching here. If indeed it is the church opinion that Jews worship the same God as Christians, then Muslims worship the same God as well. However, if we say "Jews do NOT worship the same God, since they reject the trinitarian formula" then the same applies to Muslims.

Either way, I have heard the church offer both explanations, so Bishop Braxton is not deviating from Orthodoxy here at all.

Qualis Rex

Alpin, "Allah" simply means "god" in Arabic. Arabic Christians use the word "Allah" for God in their prayers (although many also use the more ancient Syriac "Aloho" if their liturgy contains Aramaic). So, the Bishop is 100% correct in that. Now, Muslims believe "Allah" is God's actual name (like YHWH for Jews) while Christians use it generically like the word "God" in English. Slight difference, but the point is the same.

As to your second statement, Bishop Braxton states "The God of Israel, Abba Father, the God of Jesus Christ and Allah the God of Islam is the SAME God, since there is only one God." This is debateable, but the bishop has not said anything contrary to church teaching here. If indeed it is the church opinion that Jews worship the same God as Christians, then Muslims worship the same God as well. However, if we say "Jews do NOT worship the same God, since they reject the trinitarian formula" then the same applies to Muslims.

Either way, I have heard the church offer both explanations, so Bishop Braxton is not deviating from Orthodoxy here at all.

SiFractusFortis

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (841) quotes Lumen Gentium: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

By the way, the first time I went to Mass in Malta I was rather startled to find that the first hymn started with the line "Alla kebir".

I soon realised that it just meant "God is great" in Maltese.

spaxx

"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims;..."

Nothing could be further from the Truth. How could Muslims possibly be included in the plan of salvation yet Islam clearly denies the Triune God, the Divinity of Christ to whom all salvation belongs, The Virgin Mary and Her Role as Co-Redemptrix. Islam is anti-christ any every sense. All one has to do is get hold of a copy of:
"Mystical City Of God" - THE DIVINE HISTORY AND LIFE OF THE VIRGIN MOTHER OF GOD
MANIFESTED TO MARY OF AGREDA to see this.

Here is an excerpt:

"...Then and there was concocted among these malignant spirits the sect of Mahomet, the heresies of Arius, Pelagius, Nestorius, and whatever other heresies have been started in the world from the first ages of the Church until now... Lucifer showed himself content with these infernal counsels as being opposed to divine truth and destructive of the very foundation of man's rescue, namely divine faith. He lavished flattering praise and high offices upon those demons, who showed themselves willing and who undertook to find the impious originators of these errors...."

These plans where concocted in no other place than HELL.

The link to the rest of the chapter is:

http://www.sacredheart.com/The_Mystical_City_of_God_Book_06_Chapter_10.htm

The private revelations of Sister Mary of Jesus, Superioress of the convent of the Immaculate Conception of the town of Agreda contained in this magnificent book are a must have for every catholic.

This book:

i - proves beyond any reasonable doubt that there can be no salvation outside the Catholic Church

ii - will make any Catholic feel blessed and favored in being called to be a member of the one true faith, The Holy Catholic Church and Apostolic Church

iii - clearly warns indifferent, lukewarm, and liberal catholics who will also be eternally lost if they do not amend

Conclusion:

It is a delusion or even sheer insanity to state that Muslims are included in the plan of salvation.

David Whalen

We must rid the Catholic church of that Protestant idea of that the Church is what I make of it and you have to give me what I want. We must rid that Church of that Protestant disease and not give in to such Protests.

just my thoughts on it,
Dave

Qualis Rex

SSPX you are indeed a lost cause.

The catechism stating that the "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims" does NOT mean Muslims will obtain salvation. It is saying that Muslims, as do Jews, believe in the "God of Abraham".

You might want to think about peddling your heretical filth against Our Church and the catechism somewhere else. You really are becoming annoying. Isn't there some heretic SSPX site you can haunt? I'm sure your little anti-Catholic rants would be far more appreciated there.

James


Well, I for one have no idea what precisely is meant in the Catechism when it says that.

All humans are included in the plan of salvation, but that salvation comes exclusively through Christ.

Yes - Christ may enable the salvation of a man who commits himself to God and to the good, and does not knowingly and unrepentantly commit mortal sin - but has not had the chance to know Christ. That is possible (but not certain). But the truth is - very few Muslims meet that criteria anyway - for their own religion encourages all sorts of what Catholics know to be sin. And Islam is NOT a religion of love.

As such I agree in principle with spaxx - it is very, very unlikely for the average Muslim to be saved.

Further - Mohammed WAS a terrorist, and has brought about in this world terrible evil.

James

Qualis Rex

"...and the sexually obsessed shall lie with the heretic..."

James, you "agreeing" with SSPX that the catechism is "wrong" puts you outside the church. Are you really sure you want to take that leap? The Catechism doesn't say that even ONE Muslim will be saved. But the plan of salvation INCLUDES them (as it does for all of mankind, lest we forget). Muslims have been killing Christians since their very begining. It is easy for many Christians to hate Muslims. This is why the catechism names them specifically, lest we forget they are also children of God who need Christ as their Savior. And we as Christians have a duty to live and preach the gospel for them, as Saint Francis tried to do for them during the period of the crusades.

Why is it so difficult for Catholics to follow Catholicism these days?

James


"James, you "agreeing" with SSPX that the catechism is "wrong" puts you outside the church."

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Except, of course, Qualis Rex, I did nothing of the sort.

I said: "I for one have no idea what precisely is meant in the Catechism when it says that."

And I said - "All humans are included in the plan of salvation." - lest you forget what I wrote two posts above.

And I am not one who 'hates' Muslims. (We are enjoined to love all, including heretics.)

I simply said that it is very unlikely for the average Muslim to be saved - and that Mohammed was a terrorist (as he was).

I don't think anything I've said above is unCatholic.

James

Qualis Rex

You said vaguely, "As such I agree in principle with spaxx - it is very, very unlikely for the average Muslim to be saved." since he never made a statement in such words, it was implied that you agreed with the substance or "principle" of his previous post, which included his final (would that this were true) statement: "It is a delusion or even sheer insanity to state that Muslims are included in the plan of salvation." which is of course in DIRECT OPPOSITION to the catechism of the Catholic church.

You would do well to refrain from "agreeing" (in principle or otherwise) with the heretic and try agreeing with the church you claim to defend.

James


"You would do well to refrain from "agreeing" (in principle or otherwise) with the heretic and try agreeing with the church you claim to defend."

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My goodness, Qualis Rex. Take a deep breath. Calm yourself.

James

Qualis Rex

James, I guess I simply show as much indignity and outrage at hypocritical cafeteria Catholics like yourself as you do towards sex. Sue me.

spaxx

Qualis Rex owns this blog?

Qualis Rex

No...but Qualis Rex is an Uber Catholic who doesn't cotton to heretic parasites trying to eat away at the truth.

Paul K.

Belleville, Illinois, eh? I think I know where I want to move next time!

James


"No...but Qualis Rex is an Uber Catholic"

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Uber what do you believe you are, Qualix Rex?

James

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