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Friday, June 29, 2007

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David1

I'm sure there are a number of "secret" saints around. But, one of the great values of a living saint is the living example they give. Mother Teresa was a treasure. There was another saint Nun I knew, who died a couple of years ago, who ran an orphanage in the city of Chihuahua named Madre Reynoso.

Jimbo

And, if anyone reads this, who are those considered prophets today? I know Padre Pio could say some of the most amazing things about the future and status of things. Who are those doing this today? And what are they saying?

Spot marks the X

I recall hearing/reading (is this a semi-famous quote someone could help me with) that to see a living saint, look to the widowed mother in the Third World toiling away at her menial life while always praising God.

Also, beware:

Many a soul has claimed the "living saint" aura surrounds some people who turn out to be anything but; several removed priests were well-know for their "sense of saintliness"; Most conspicuously, how many Legionaries of Christ to this day assert that their founder is "a living saint" despite his Vatican "invitation" to leave public ministry after a well-publicized follow-up to the apparently trustworthy claims of his perverted assaults on members of his own order?

Not to attempt to debunk the idea that one can be identified as a living saint; merely a caution to one's approach.

DenverCatholic

Time and examination are the only thing that can bear out a Saint's nature for the Church.

But remember that we ALL can be Saints by obedience ot God's laws and keeping with His Church. Says so right there in the Catechism.

So I look to my own faith and faults and God's forgiveness. And I am thankful I have such Saints, canonized and not, to draw upon for inspiration.

Patrick

The late Malachi Martin once commented to me that it was a shame we had to wait until after the death of a saint to find out the level of their direct communication with God, but that if the saints relayed their stories while they were alive "they'd be put into Bedlam."

I don't understand what this means, but I am curious to understand it. Does anyone care to explain?

I have understood the word "saint" to mean a person whose place in Heaven is assured (and only God knows the exact number). Maybe there is one behind the counter at your supermarket.

I believe the saints on the Church's calender are meant to be examples of saints who have lived lives of heroic virtue.

St. Therese of Lisiuex's 19th-century, French-schoolgirl flower metaphors can be a bit "off-putting." However, she is a doctor of the Church for a reason:

JESUS DEIGNED TO teach me this mystery. He set before me the book of nature; I understood how all the flowers He has created are beautiful, how the splendor of the rose and the whiteness of the Lily do not take away the perfume of the little violet or the delightful simplicity of the daisy. I understood that if all flowers wanted to be roses, nature would lose her springtime beauty, and the fields would no longer be decked out with little wild flowers. And so it is in the world of souls, Jesus' garden. He willed to create great souls comparable to lilies and roses, but He has created smaller ones and these must be content to be daisies or violets destined to give joy to God's glances when He looks down at His feet. Perfection consists in doing His will, in being what He wills us to be.

Loyolalaw98

Patrick,

I think what Fr. Martin was relaying to me, almost 20 years ago over a bottle of chianti at an Italian restaurant he frequented in NYC, was that is "while alive" Saint Francis, or Saint Ignatius Loyola had relayed to their contemporaries that G*d was talking to them - personally - that their own followers would have thought them mad. "Put into Bedlam" was Fr. Martin's Anglo-Irish way of saying "be put into a madhouse." Bedlam being a notorious English madhouse, aka asylum, of the 18th century. There was actually a movie about Bedlam from the 1950's where Boris Karloff portrayed the warden!

A Simple Sinner

I think the lay apostolates and confraternities harbor any number of saints on their way to the calendar....

God bless, keep and preserve the priests and nuns out there, but I have met a lot of humble laity quietly rearing Catholic families. They homeschool, support the orthodox orders, and are raising a generation of Catholics who MEAN it.

Lay movements like the Legion of Mary, Miles Jesu...

Some of the folks I have met involved in these groups are simple and unsung. I will be working on a project with one, lunch will role around amd without pretense or affected piety simple mention will be made: "Mass is celebrated at noon down the street, I like to go there on my lunch hour. Would you like to join me?"

I talk the talk in defense of our Holy Faith. They simply "do".

I am humbled by their humility and helped to understand yet again, I am, a simple sinner.

Joey

If Mother Angelica were wearing the native dress of women in Irondale, Alabama (like Mother Teresa's sari) and picking up the suffering and abandoned / homeless people from the streets of Irondale then I would gladly include her in my lists of saints like Mother Teresa.

joanne

Living saints? I see and hear them everywhere; they are too numerous to count! From "head" to toe, the Church will always have her saints. Most of them would faint or run away if they heard of themselves spoken of as "saints", except in the comforting, more universal way of Scripture.
As to the "great" saints, it is almost as frightening as it is awesome to meet them. Frightening, because when it comes to our friends, we tend to think like "men" still, and we dread their persecution by the world.

Marc

I'd like to see Fr. Groeschel as a candidate.

T.

The truly living saints are the millions of caretakers, hospice volunteers, nursing, geriatric, and pediatric volunteers. The millions of doctors and scientists throughout the world, who work steadily to help the sick, suffering, disabled, and dying by research and dedicated work.

The nameless persons who go throughout life without notice, but always fund charities, praying at night for all the missionaries, taking comfort and solace to someone in need.

The millions of teachers throughout the world that take time to encourage, empower, and educate children, so that they can make their way in this world.

Thank God for all the living saints in this world who make one person's life better because of a smile,a simple thought, kind word, and/or act of encouragement and find a way to do this for somebody every day.

You meet them everyday.

Luis

I had the singular priviledge of seeing Mother Teresa walk pass me as she entered the Cathedral Basilica of Ss Peter and Paul in Philadelphia for the 1976 41st Intl Eucharistic Congress. I was only 16 at the time and even though she was at least 20 ft away from me when I saw this frail nun- her sanctity was sensed by all of us who just looked at each other in awe knowing we were in the presence of so holy a woman. Mother Angelica has done what many considered impossible - imagine what she will do when she joins the ranks of the Holy in heaven.
There is a Franciscan sister who works with the poorest of the poor in Dominican Rep whom I met while there on a 1 week visit. A small frail woman who has the spiritual strength to move mountains. Sr. Valdair, a Brazilian Bernardine Franciscan-a woman of sincere love who has built a school for these poor children-a parish church to unite the community. Holy people are given to us not only as gift to guide us on the path to holiness but also to remind us that God works through those who bear their crosses courageously.

jack bennett

I'll throw out a couple of names:

Chiara Lubich, founder of the Folocare movement

and

Jean Vanier, founder of L'Arche

JMC

Sometimes those living saints are right under our own roofs. My mother was a mentally ill alcoholic. My father stuck with her for 47 years, years during which every night (my mother never drank until after dinner)was sheer hell. He sacrificed his own outgoing, giving nature to remain constantly at the side of a woman so possessive she could hardly bear to let him leave the house to go to work. He sacrificed his generosity to placate a woman so selfish that she refused to come up off the money for a Christmas tree for the kids. That sacrifice took its toll. In every picture I ever saw of him, even when he was smiling, there was a profound sadness in his eyes. He died at the age of 65. When we saw him in his hospital bed, before the undertaker ever saw him, his face reflected a joy it never showed in life.
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My mother may have been one herself. Despite her illness, she was a woman of faith. She was miserable to live with, and her abusive nature actually drove two of her five children away from the Faith, but her quiet example was the one that made the impression on the rest of us. Family Rosaries were an on-again, off-again thing, but she herself said the Rosary multiple times every day. And the promises of the Rosary were borne out: When she went into the hospital at the end, she was comatose. A priest was called for her, and she at least had the comfort of absolution. If my father's life with her was hell, her own interior hell was far worse. When she died, there was no look of utter joy on her face, but one of profound peace, a peace she had never known in life.
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Those living saints are everywhere.

joanne

JMC,
You have the heart of a saint.

Paul

I don't think we should be worrying about who might be a living saint - I'm sure that those who may actually BE living saints think they are nowhere near what they could/should be in relation to God. Thus their sanctity....

A Simple Sinner

"If Mother Angelica were wearing the native dress of women in Irondale, Alabama (like Mother Teresa's sari) and picking up the suffering and abandoned / homeless people from the streets of Irondale then I would gladly include her in my lists of saints like Mother Teresa."

What a fascinating if totally arbitrary litmus test for observable sanctity.

If Mother Theresa had started out broadcasting from a garage on donations and it lead to a global network - something the USCCB failed to do with a lot of money - I would be impressed by that too.

carlos

I'd say that Joseph Scheidler is the embodiment of a living saint, complete with the dry martyrdom of a federal RICO lawsuit filed by the National Organization for Women that nearly landed his family on the street. Talk about a guy who is willing to give all for the struggle to save the unborn!

Mario Mirarchi

My vote goes to Fr. John Malloy of San Francisco:

http://johnmalloysdb.blogspot.com/

Shoshiru Honda

My list of Saints? I have afew, both living and deceased:

Deceased:

Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, Archbishop of Genoa ,Italy (1946-1987) (d. 1989)
Fr. Malachi Martin (d. 2001 ?)
Pope Pius XII (1876-1958, Pope 1939-1958...already recently named "Venerable")
Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen (d. 1979)
Bl. Idelfonso Schuester, OSB (d. 1954) Archbishop of Milan, Italy.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (d. 1991), regardess that He founded the SSPX and consecrated traditionalist Bishops against the Pope's command, the man stood as a defender of traditional Catholicism, and was not afraid to say what was disasterously wrong in and coming from Vatican II.....facts that many more people are now coming to believe as true....even in the Vatican!!


Living:

Mother Angelica (Teresa Rizzo)-Poor Clare abbess, foundress of EWTN, and of two religious Orders.

Fr. Benedict Groeschel,CFR- founder of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal.

Fr. Richard Ho Lung- founder in Jamaica of the "Missionary Servants of the Poor" (now in Jamaica, Haiti, Latin America, the Phillipines, and India.)

Mother Assumpta Long- foundress of the Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Holy Eucharist.

Philip

Fr. Benedict Groeschel is a must, as are Bishop Fulton Sheen and Cardinal Basil Hume, both of blessed memory.

A Simple Sinner

Fr. Richard Ho Lung - I am very humbled by this man. Neither wealthy, influential, or much discussed in the Secular or Catholic press, he is doing some amazing work. A fellow with whom I correspond is actually spending time with his community discearning a voacation.

There was also a priest in Mexico that I visited some 10 years ago named Fr. David. I was in bad shape spiritually and he called me out on it - the moment he met me.

"Hello Father, this is an..."

"We need to talk, there are some things we need to discuss and you need to deal with NOW."

We had never seen each other before in our lives.

He knew things. It wasn't comfortable, it wasn't pleasant, it was needed.

A Simple Sinner

""sense of saintliness"; Most conspicuously, how many Legionaries of Christ to this day assert that their founder is "a living saint" despite his Vatican "invitation" to leave public ministry after a well-publicized follow-up to the apparently trustworthy claims of his perverted assaults on members of his own order?"

IT is what it is - inconclusive, and I am rather disinterested in trying to decide the veracity of claims I don't have full knowledge of against the official position of some in the LC.

So in light of this, I have decided not to speculate, and instead toil in trying to keep in the grace of God, being satisfied to find out what I find out when (if) I reach the Beatific Vision.

A Simple Sinner

there was a Czech priest visiting my grandparents home parish some years ago when they were sill active and I had taken them to Mass.

Part of a missionary order that had supported the Church in Uganda he was, in his homily, recalling some of years there. At one point, in confident yet halted English he proclaimed with no hesitence are doubt: "I loved my years there. We buried more than a few martyrs there. Each day I remember them and ask the prayers of the one's we will never know until we are in heaven.

"They are still dying."

His thich accent, worn face, and grey hair left more than a casual impression. And it left me with a devotion to the "unknown martyr". More than will ever be on the calendar, there are faithfyl giving their lives daily. Happy are we who remember them as "our saints with unknown names". There prayers keep us strong.

So saints of today? Well they very well include the saint who has or will lose his or her life today because they love Jesus and His Truth more than they love this world.

Unknown Saint, pray for us.

Shoshiru Honda

I would not call Cardinal Hume a Saint. A good Christian, yes. But not a saint. He very deliberatly supported the radical liberal dissenting faction in the British Church during His term as Cardinal Archbishop, and was very much against the Catholic traditionalists, the Tridentine Latin Mass, etc.
He could well be called "The Cardinal Bernardin", of Great Britian. Both men were good "Christians". But good Cardinals and good Bishops? Not by their agendas, and by the people and views they supported.

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