It's Time To Speak The Truth: Bad Catholic Bishops Exist, And Their Efforts Need To Be Opposed

The Kiss of Judas by Gustave Doré (January 6, 1832 – January 23, 1883)

Summorum Pontificum plainly states that starting September 14, 2007, the Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite (Tridentine Mass or Traditional Latin Mass) is to be made available to the faithful in their parishes if they ask for it.  Bishop Brown has prevented this from taking place, which is not obedient to the Holy Father's express directive.

The pastor, not the bishop, is the one to grant such requests and permission from the bishop is not required.

However, Bishop Brown has seen to it that St. Mary's by the Sea has no pastor, which gives him more leverage.

It's like a chess game: The Games People Play: Is Bishop Tod Brown Banning The Tridentine Mass At St. Mary's – Again?

Besides that, Bishop Brown has deemed it appropriate to publicly humiliate Fr. Tran by forcing him to publicly retract the claim that he was appointed the pastor of St. Mary's by the Sea, and it seems that he may have done so because Bishop Brown was displeased that Fr. Tran quoted him in the St. Mary's Bulletin and those quotes prompted blog posts like these:

From Fr. Z's "What Does The Prayer Really Say?": Diocese of Orange and the MP: not registered at parish? Go away!

From The Curt Jester: We Invite You To Leave Or Not Come At All

From Roman Catholic Blog: Bishop Tod Brown's New Requirement: The Traditional Latin Mass At St. Mary's By The Sea Is Only For St. Mary's Parishioners

From Roman Catholic Blog: Bishop Tod Brown & Summorum Pontificum, Part 2

From Roman Catholic Blog: More Good News: The Tridentine Mass At St. Mary's By The Sea Will Not Use The New Lectionary

From Jimmy Akin: Totally Absolutely 100% Crazy

From Jimmy Akin: The Diocese Of Orange Clarifies

From The Curt Jester: Bless Me Father, For I Have Kneeled, Part II

Bishop Brown has had to backpedal time and time again each time Fr. Tran has attempted to implement Bishop Brown's directives at St. Mary's by the Sea, and it seems poor Fr. Tran's loyalty is being repaid by Bishop Brown embarrassing him in a public fashion.

We've seen that sort of thing before...

Renfield Meets Dracula (Dracula - 1931)

I'll Be Loyal To You Master! (Dracula - 1931)

Renfield's Conscience, Part 1 (Dracula - 1931)

Renfield's Conscience, Part 2 (Dracula - 1931)

Renfield's Death (Dracula - 1931)

That's why I said: Don't Mess Around With Bishop Brown!

Here's what I think is really going on: Bishop Brown doesn't seem to like St. Mary's by the Sea parishioners who prefer the Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite and he still seems to resent the fact that so many Catholics (about half of the parish) continued to kneel after the Agnus Dei when he established a new norm abolishing that practice (like his good friend Roger Cardinal Mahony had already done in Los Angeles), despite the fact that Catholics throughout most of America continue to kneel at that time, with the approval of their bishops (the San Diego Diocese still kneels, for example).

Bishop Brown directed the parish administrator, Fr. Martin Tran, to stop Catholics who continued to show reverence for the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist by continuing to kneel at that time (as most Catholics throughout America have done since the early 1970's and most continue to do).

Many Catholics followed their consciences and continued to kneel, but following your conscience is only okay with liberals if you want to use artificial contraception, live an "alternative lifestyle" (especially a homosexual one), or vote to keep abortion "safe and legal" (whether as a politician or a private citizen).

It's time to be blunt. There are bad bishops. There always have been. Part of their strength has come from expecting Catholics to bend and bow to their power. Many of them act as though they are the master, and not the servant the True Master has asked to feed His sheep.

Such bishops demand obedience, while they, themselves, remain disobedient.

The Holy Spirit warned false shepherds in the Old Testament:

Thus says the Lord GOD: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who have been pasturing themselves! Should not shepherds, rather, pasture sheep? You have fed off their milk, worn their wool, and slaughtered the fatlings, but the sheep you have not pastured. You did not strengthen the weak nor heal the sick nor bind up the injured. You did not bring back the strayed nor seek the lost, but you lorded it over them harshly and brutally. So they were scattered for lack of a shepherd, and became food for all the wild beasts. My sheep were scattered and wandered over all the mountains and high hills; my sheep were scattered over the whole earth, with no one to look after them or to search for them.

Therefore, shepherds, hear the word of the LORD: As I live, says the Lord GOD, because my sheep have been given over to pillage, and because my sheep have become food for every wild beast, for lack of a shepherd; because my shepherds did not look after my sheep, but pastured themselves and did not pasture my sheep; because of this, shepherds, hear the word of the LORD: Thus says the Lord GOD: I swear I am coming against these shepherds. I will claim my sheep from them and put a stop to their shepherding my sheep so that they may no longer pasture themselves. I will save my sheep, that they may no longer be food for their mouths. (Ezekiel 34:2-10)

Jesus warned His first bishops, the Apostles, by saying:

You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot. (Matthew 5:13)

It is impossible that scandals should not come; but woe to him through whom they come! It were better for him if a millstone were hung about his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin. (Luke 17:1-2)

Jesus said to his disciples: “Be sure of this: if the master of the house had known the hour when the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. You also must be prepared, for at an hour you do not expect, the Son of Man will come." Then Peter said, "Lord, is this parable meant for us or for everyone?" And the Lord replied, "Who, then, is the faithful and prudent steward whom the master will put in charge of his servants to distribute the food allowance at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master on arrival finds doing so. Truly, I say to you, he will put him in charge of all his property. But if that servant says to himself, ´My master is delayed in coming,´ and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, to eat and drink and get drunk, then that servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the unfaithful. That servant who knew his master's will but did not make preparations nor act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely; and the servant who was ignorant of his master´s will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating shall be beaten only lightly. Much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more.” (Luke 12:39-48)

Consider, also, these words from the Lord:

"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits.

"Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'

And then will I declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'

"Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it." (Matthew 7:13-27)

Bottom line:

1) There will be false prophets and bad shepherds.  You will know them by their fruits.

2) Don't follow the crowd, because the crowd is on the wide road to perdition.

Catholics should be skeptical of trendy "progressive" bishops who take more interest in following the latest liturgical trends, appointing women as their chancellors and directors of their "Office of Worship", and relegate anything that smacks of tradition, especially in terms of liturgy and catechesis, to the dustbin. Such bishops are following the crowd, and we've already established which direction the crowd is going. The Church needs bishops who are leaders who take their orders from Christ through the Holy Father, not followers.

Bishop Brown is quite pleasant and charming socially, somewhat like a politician. He's generally reserved and diplomatic in his public statements. However, in the years since his 1998 installation as Bishop of Orange, he has yet to demonstrate, either in his writing or preaching, any depth of understanding of the Catholic faith.

Within a short time of his arrival, Bishop Brown sent each parish two new directives through the office of Fr. Rod Stephens (who has since left the priesthood). The first directive stated that Catholics must receive communion in the standing position. (In other words, Bishop Brown intended to prohibit Catholics from kneeling for Holy Communion.) His second directive stated that in all newly constructed or renovated churches, there was to be made a separate chapel for the reservation of the Blessed Sacrament. In establishing these new rules, Bishop Brown made it clear that he sides with the liberal elite who have deemed kneeling to receive the Holy Eucharist archaic and who believe that the Real Presence of Christ does not belong in the body of a church in plain view of the faithful.

Bishop Brown clearly shares the fondness for political correctness typically found among members of the mainstream media and college professors. His first high profile diocesan appointment was that of Sister Katherine Gray – a Sister of St. Joseph of Orange, the diocese's largest religious community which is rife with liberalism and rapidly dying out – as chancellor, a role traditionally held by a priest (female chancellors are the "in thing" among liberal bishops).

Bishop Brown also made Lesa Truxaw the director of his Office for Worship. Ms. Truxaw now performs many duties that were once the province of Fr. Rod Stephens, Orange's former Director of Evangelization and Liturgy, who has taken a leave of absence from the priesthood in the wake of revelations about his live-in relationship with a male companion in Irvine. The two were always open about their relationship. It was an open secret in the Diocese of Orange for years. They travel to exotic spots around the world together, and sent out joint holiday cards to friends.

Bishop Brown continues to support Rod Stephens and allows his priests to pay him handsomely (reportedly $300 an hour) for his consultation work in church decoration, renovations, and/or liturgical consultation, despite Rod Stephens' choice to leave the priesthood and continue to pursue a relationship with his longtime companion and his public support for women's ordination.

From The Cafeteria is Closed: San Diego angle to "womanpriest" delusion

From Roman Catholic Blog: Why Does Bishop Tod Brown Support Rod Stephens?

From The Cafeteria is Closed: The Rod Stephens Saga

Our Lord said that salt that loses it's flavor is good for nothing. What he was really saying is that bad priests and bishops are worse than worthless (because they either fail to lead souls to God, or lead souls away from God) and deserve to be thrown out in the street! He went so far as to say, "... if that servant says to himself, ´My master is delayed in coming,´ and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, to eat and drink and get drunk, then that servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the unfaithful." That's serious stuff! Don't catholics owe it to their bishops to help them avoid making bad choices that will cause them to come to such an unhappy end?

Catholics must respect the office of a bishop. They must respect the legitimate authority of a bishop. However, they mustn't give a bishop undue reverence and follow him blindly, right or wrong, without a word of complaint. That's not Catholicism, that's clericalism.

It's time to call a spade a spade and openly admit when bishops are bad:  Nineteen Roman Catholic Bishops Have Resigned Since 1990

About eight U.S. bishops have been forced into resignation over homosexual affairs (or homosexual activity with minors) within the past sixteen years: Bishops Besieged

Catholic bishops (besides Bishop Brown), like retired Detroit Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, have engaged in homosexual activism. Bishops Kenneth Utener (Saginaw, Michigan), Walter Sullivan (Richmond, Virginia), Joseph Imesch (Springfield, Illinois), Matthew Clark (Rochester, New York), Howard Hubbard (Albany, New York), and John Cummins (Oakland, California), have all promoted and enabled the homosexual agenda.

In February of 2000, Bishop Tod Brown sent each priest in the Diocese of Orange two articles by Fr. Gerald D. Coleman dealing with the Prop. 22 ban on homosexual marriage. In the message accompanying the articles, Bishop Brown wrote that Fr. Coleman's article "expresses very well my own thoughts on this subject." Fr. Coleman’s article, “Is Prop 22 Discriminatory?” argued: "Some homosexual persons have shown that it is possible to enter into long-term, committed and loving relationships, named by certain segments of our society as domestic partnerships."

Bishop Brown has shown support for the homosexual lifestyle on numerous occasions for years, as the Open Letter To Bishop Brown ably demonstrates: Open Letter to Tod Brown, Bishop of Orange

In fact, the Rainbow Sash movement has praised Bishop Tod Brown for his homosexual activism: "Rainbow Sash Movement calls on the Diocese of Orange, California to Save Innocent Children of Gay Parents from fundamentalist Zealots"

During the Arian heresy, about one third of the bishops in the Church fell into heresy and became Arian.

When Henry VIII formed the Church of England, all the bishops in England with the exception of St. John Fisher (who was martyred) obeyed King Henry and abandoned Christ's Church.

Liberals even use the widespread corruption within the Church during the time of Martin Luther's protestant revolt as an excuse to suggest Luther had some valid points, yet they seem unable to realize widespread corruption exists today.

We have even had a huge sex-abuse scandal here in the United States, where bishops were known and shown to have done wrong and hurt innocent children in the process, yet some Catholics still demand an unnatural, irrational loyalty to bishops no matter how bad they are or how much they impede legitimate evangelization and the spread of the authentic Catholic faith in their diocese.

I'm not saying we should make ourselves the authority. I'm saying the pope is the authority and Catholics should only be loyal to bishops whose actions demonstrate that they are clearly in union with the Holy Father.

Please read the following: A Few Blunt Words To Catholics

Any thoughts?

Comments

[Atlanta Catholic]

Thomistic,

You have outdone yourself in demonstrating the sad state of affairs in the Diocese of Orange, California. The blood sucking apparatus of Bishop Tod Brown continues the assault on the life blood of the Catholic Church. The bite marks are aimed towards the necks of Traditional Catholicism. What is as threatening as the sunlight to Bishop Tod D. Brown? Authentic Church Teaching... Reverence...Respect for the Real Presence...and the Tridentine Mass which seems to anger bad Bishops as much as a Crucifix repels Dracula. How interesting a fact is it that progressive Bishops don't like the Crucifix either. There are no accidents. The comparison is astoundingly accurate.

In the movie,"Becket", the story of St. Thomas a Becket, the saint, played by Richard Burton, tells those who want to silence his revelations and loud protests of corrupt priests and bishops, that "The Kingdom of God is like any kingdom, and must be defended." He did not stop defending his Faith and was martyred.

[Curtis]

I agree with your exhortations Thomisitic, but what is your call to action? You are stirring up the righteous passion of all orthodox Catholics who read your blog, but to what end can we focus our passion? If you have no viable suggested action then you risk allowing our righteous anger to fester into bitterness and pessimism. Do you have any ideas, any hopeful suggestions for those sheep suffering under wayward bishops? The world is full of complainers, it is only those who are willing to take action who can effect change.

[Dan]

Curtis,
What we all must do is pray to the Immaculata that she ask Her Divine Son to chase the demons from the hearts of those bishops and priests who oppose Her Son's Will.
This is how we can actively work to allow God's Will to be done, and avoid pessimism and bitterness.
St Maximilian Kolbe pray for our bishops.
God bless you

[Thomistic]

I would suggest writing a charitable letter that details the things you believe to be problematic to the Holy See, as well as the Ecclesia Dei commission.

Pax,

Thomistic

[Jimbo]

I had my wedding at St. Mary's earlier this year. I also attended a Mass before my marriage. I saw people kneeling to receive Communion, but did not see the priest deny or correct or have any problem with the kneeling parishioners.

About half of the parishioners kneeled during the "This is the Lamb of God" (Agnus Dei?), while the others stood. It was a horrible moment to see and be a part of.

If we can't get the kneeling issue squared away, is there any wonder that we can't figure out abortion, homosexual marriage, stem cell research, and other such issues?

I was hoping this whole saga would come to an end with the M.P. by the Pope--I wrote as much some weeks ago. I see I was wrong, and that some people want to make this an ongoing issue...or at least that what it seems to be.

I'm willing to wait and see what happens when Father Tran comes back, however.

If this is all vindictive behavior, I can't see any scenario in which St. Mary's will be around in the future: that's probably the surest way to ensure no Tridentine Mass ever again.

[TM Lutas]

If a bishop is violating the rules of the Church, be very certain of it and then be or support the courageous person who shall be the test case that will end the abuse.

I cannot emphasize enough that the bulk of the effort must be in determining whether there is an actual abuse instead of an uncomfortable, fringe position that is barely within the range of what is legitimate. The problem of a legitimate fringe bishop can only be solved by the appointment of a better successor and in the meantime a project of engagement and education with said bishop in order to promote growth in Christ and more effective pastoral care.

With regard to Fr. Tran, he has the choice to be the test case, if Bishop Brown wishes to push things. If the TLM is ended by Brown's orders and Fr. Tran continues in obedience to Christ and following the guidelines of the recent Motu Proprio, a perfect test case will have been created. Fr. Trans' career as a priest will be very difficult for a time until the common sense understanding that administrators' authority to act as a pastor includes the ability to take advantage of the provisions for pastors in the motu proprio is settled definitively but that's part of the job.

Pray for the test cases, those willing to stand up to bad bishops properly, protected only by the Holy Spirit. Pray for the fools who stand up to bishops when they shouldn't, that they grow in wisdom and learn that obedience isn't always comfortable.

[Susanne]

Why don't the parishioners at St. Mary's bring in a priest to say the extra ordinary form of the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass. Bishop Brown must provide one whether Fr. Tran is pastor or not, here or in Vietnam. I would make a complaint to the Ecclesia Dei commision if Bishop Brown doesn't provide a priest on Sept 14th!

[Dude]

Thomistic, I am a bit baffled. The title of this post is: It's Time To Speak The Truth: Bad Catholic Bishops Exist, And Their Efforts Need To Be Opposed

Why now?

What I mean is, so Bishop Brown has a problem with the relaxation of the Tridentine mass, and fights against Orthodox Catholics at St. Mary's By the Sea.

I am not from the area, but have followed some of the events on this blog (which spends an awful lot of time on SoCal issues, which is fine , due to this being your area and blog, but there are so many more, with similar problems) but I cannot figure out what the straw is that broke the camel's back that would have you write the title you did.

I have said things less harshly, and had a bunch of orthdox on this blog come down on my heavily. If you recall, LoyolaLaw came down on me for saying that a particular bishop was probably another homosexual (as evidence probably points to it.)

I am glad you said it, but just surprised, in the face of all of the things which are much worse (homosexual abuse scandals, gross monetary improprieties, sacramental and liturgical abuse) that the bishops problems with the Tridentine Mass is what finally set you off.

BTW, had this been my blog, I would not have practiced the patience you have. I would have stated this long ago. Kudos to you nonetheless and yes, I know I have a temper, but I am sick to death of people biting their tongues in order to act or appear to be pious. It has been to the detriment of our Church.

By the way, praying is great, but action is what will change the problem. See my post on Per Christum Blog regarding this same issue and the Catholic failure in the conversion of Islam in light of the Protestant successes. The post is called Mary and Islam, from a few days ago. The points are relative. https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=20487926&postID=1505715878813209187

However, it seems like you have refrained from saying this, and it should have been said a long time ago, for reasons much more serious.

This is the kind of title that searches will turn up and you are correct; It is necessary.

[Patrick]

Dude,

I tried to use that link, but I couldn't get it to work. Are you sure it is correct?

[Patrick]

Thomistic wrote:

Bishop Brown continues to support Rod Stephens and allows his priests to pay him handsomely (reportedly $300 an hour) for his consultation work in church decoration, renovations, and/or liturgical consultation...

That's great, now we have "gay" interior decorators for the churches. What's next, Edith Piaf tunes for the communion procession?

Curtis wrote:

The world is full of complainers, it is only those who are willing to take action who can effect change.

I think the point to this blog is to be informed and to not be led astray. Change will come. To quote a good priest, who is suffering under one of the afore mentioned bishops, "God will send us saints."

Jimbo wrote:

I was hoping this whole saga would come to an end with the M.P. by the Pope--I wrote as much some weeks ago.

It's going to take some time for things to get better. But, with the M.P., the cat is out of the bag, and he's in no mood to be put back in.

Dude wrote:

...I know I have a temper, but I am sick to death of people biting their tongues...

I seem to remember a certain nun, with a worldwide television audience, who called a certain cardinal a heretic. I still say "good for her."

[CoffeeMugPhilosophy]

I've been to St. Mary's.
The parishioneer crew over there were pretty militant with their flyers , accusations,and in-church liturgical protests...but eventually made some peace with the Bishop, but not before accusing Fr. Tran of financial improprieties and demanding that he too be replaced. Much of this was way over the top.....and consistent with militant protest organizations where the end
justifies the means. I find neither side 100% honorable nor honest. Morever, Bishop Brown is one of the worst Bishops in America along with Mahoney. I trust Brown about as far as I can throw a refrigerator....that being said, his dealings with St. Mary have been within his jurisdictional powers of liturgical and disciplinary powers. However, the Motu Propio issues bring us to another chapter.

So you have to wonder whether it is Bishop Browns motive to close St. Marys in the long run or just a case that he will give no 'quarter' to the parishioneers of St. Marys who staged protests over their desire for a 'customized' Novus Ordo Mass, and proverbially spat in the face of legitimate authority.

[Atlanta Catholic]

Coffee Mug Philosophy,

Your statement of "I find neither side 100% honest or honorable", is disappointing and revealing. Father Johnson was an excellent spiritual priest. Father Johnson never said a word of criticism or gossip about any person, priest, Bishop, Cardinal and so on.
Many people were critical of Father Johnson and he knew it. He did not waiver to please people. He was only interested in pleasing God. Father Johnson was holy. Father Johnson thanked the parishioners who had the difficult and painful responsibility of standing up for their rights as Catholics.
Bishop Brown admitted in a meeting that the parishioners were within their rights to kneel if their consciences deemed. This is a fact.
Your conscience is comfortable criticizing both sides. This is what is revealing. It is very comfortable to judge the actions and hearts of others. Jesus spoke about being lukewarm. Criticisms robed in lukewarm fear are not attractive qualities.

No one ever disputed Bishop Brown's authority. You must familiarize yourself with the rights and duties of a Catholic. When Bishop Brown "did" admit that Catholics did have a right to kneel if their consciences deemed, it was a good thing to stand up for. Would you agree with this if you learned it was true? It is true. I'm glad that you admit you are unable to throw a refrigerator the same distance as your trust of Bishop Brown. How are you any different by just criticizing the Bishop and the crew? I do feel your frustration with the situation. Sometimes when a person lacks the strength or courage to stand up against injustice, they hurl comments or opinions against both sides. This is telltale, but they do it because it salves their conscience. They would like to take some action besides prayer but they are fearful. Attacking both sides to different audiences, makes them chameleon-like. This gives them a very brief measure of comfort. I don't know if you are in this category. Only God knows your heart. I don't think you are able to read hearts but it sounds like you think you possess this ability. You need to place your heart and Coffee Mug into the hot or cold. You find neither side honorable Coffee Mug. That is not a good sign.

[Susanne]

No wonder why the church is in a mess! All these coffe mug philosophy types in the church, critizing Catholics who are willing to battle evil. The Holy Father just recently spoke about battling evil
www.zenit.org/article-20283?1=english this blog should do a post on the Holy Fathers statement. The Holy Father said "Christ is not looking for tired conformists, but witnesses of courageous faith, those who burn in the fire of His love." I found the Holy Fathers words confirming in defending The Faith. Why be a Catholic then if you aren't willing to give your life and reputation for The Church. You are just waisting your time. Perhaps you should go to your local coffee house and fill up your mug. Don't get me wrong Coffee Mug , wake up ! before it is too late. You might find your self on the liturgical dance commitee someday or dressed up as Don
Fransico the coffee man at a "halloween mass". If you don't like my comment or think I was been rude too you well, why don't you use a real name like Joe or Tom. People wouldn't be tempted to use "coffee mug" jokes.

[Dude]

Patrick, cut and paste, I just did and it worked fine.

[CoffeeMugPhilosophy]

Atlanta? Catholic and Suzanne I stand by my words.

Funny how you people want to psychoanalayze
and read into verbiage when someone disagrees with you. I am talking about picking apart my sentences and reading my personality those words. Very immature.

Sort of how the seminaries dealt with straight and orthodox seminarians who they
wanted to get rid of.. Sent them to the psychologist and told the psychologist the
outcome they wanted or suspected.

Atlanta Catholic and Suzanne, when I talk about a movement or group and its actions,
you shouldnt take it so personally as to be ungatious and insulting to an individual.

Once again I stand by what I have witnessed and perceived at St. Marys regardless of their 'noble pursuits' I call it as I sees it.....and thats the way I SEES it!

[Thomistic]

CoffeeMugPhilosophy,

Why did you stop going by the name Beeline?

Pax,

Thomistic

[Manuel]

Thomistic,
Beeline changed name to coffeeMugPhilosophy because you banned Beeline when he started insulting other bloggers. Beeline is a troll!

Where can I see a copy of the MP?

[Patrick]

If Juan Valdez starts posting comments we will know which IP address to check. CoffeeMug, it looks like your cup runneth over. Sorry, I couldn't resist :o)

[Patrick]

Also, watch out for Mrs. Olsen.

[joanne]

Why are you people flipping out on this coffee mug person? Defending a priest you believe is holy is honorable, but if he is holy he does not want you to tear people apart for his sake. That's no way to honor a priest or any person of faith.

[Russ]

Manuel,
MP and all related documents are available in English on the blog SummorumPontificum.com, look in the right column for links to the documents.