What Could Be Scarier Than Halloween? Two Orange County Pastors Donating To Obama

(Above) Mission San Juan Capistrano Basilica Pastor, Fr. Art Holquin

(Below) Corpus Christi Parish Pastor, Fr. Fred Bailey

Mission San Juan Capistrano Basilica Pastor, Fr. Art Holquin, gave money to Barack Obama's campaign.

Click here: Holquin Donation

So did Fr. Fred Bailey, pastor of Corpus Christi parish in Aliso Viejo, of Halloween Mass & Barney blessing fame.

Click here: Bailey Donations

Click here to learn about Fr. Fred Bailey's "wife" Helen: Corpus Christi FAQ

Flashback Video Links:

Halloween Mass Video #1

Halloween Mass Video #2

Halloween Mass Video # 3: The Barney Blessing

See also:

California Priest, Fr. Art Holquin, Gave Money To Obama Campaign

Fr. Art Holquin: Homosexual Priests Are A Gift To The Church

More On Holquin: An Observation from the Diocese of Orange....

Open Letter To Tod Brown, Bishop Of Orange

Comments

[James Rich]

If there are only two priests in the entire diocese of Orange who contributed to -- not merely supported -- the most pro-abortion candidate in the history of America I will be surprised. I mean, it takes some effort to write out a check, find an address, and drop it in the mail. This isn't passive acceptance of moral evil, but active support.

OK, I have an assignment for the industrious -- I would do it if I knew how: how many of our priests have sent money to defeat Proposition 8 (the Gay Marriage Proposition)? How much do you want to bet that the same names might appear on that donor list?

[Cain Hamm]

BE CAREFUL this Halloween! The Mormon Church plans to hand out explicit literature to YOUR kids!

[Peter Kaufmann]

More than one way to kill.

A political candidate’s position on abortion has become the de facto litmus test of morality, and of respect for life. Unfortunately, it isn't so simple. The data show that economic and health care policies and many other social issues also kill. Consider the matter of health care. For a study of life expectancy in the United States published in PLoS Medicine in 2006, Harvard Professor Christopher Murray analyzed 8 years of census and health statistics data. He found an astonishing 35 year gap - in life expectancy based on county of residence, income, and other social factors. In my home county, Fairfax Virginia, life expectancy is among the top ten in the US ­ about 81 years. Life expectancy in counties at the bottom is only 46 years, shorter than that in many developing countries! This isn’t a new finding - many other studies reported similar results. There are several reasons for such early death, but socioeconomic status and access to health care are the heavyweights. Thus, health care in particular, as well as many other policy differences between the political parties can have as profound an influence on life as the death penalty or abortion. Clearly, the moral justification for voting cannot be based on a single issue.

As a Catholic, I've been opposed to abortion all my life, and efforts to reduce abortions must continue. However, the pro-life concept must encompass all causes of death, not only abortion. The positions the Democratic Party has held with respect to universal health care, taxation, unemployment, war and torture, all of which have life-or-death consequences, are more consistently pro-life than those of the Republicans. My conscience requires that I vote for Barack Obama, and I will do so with great enthusiasm and hope.

Peter Kaufmann, Ph.D.
Past President, Society of Behavioral Medicine
Secretary, International Society of Behavioral Medicine
The views expressed above are not necessarily those of the SBM or ISBM.

[Tom Duggan]

Dr. Kaufmann:

Obama's support of the Freedom of Choice Act would force taxpayers to subsidize abortion. To subsidize something is to get more of it. So, even with all of the social justic promises Obama has made, even if they all come true, more babies will die as a result of FOCA, which Obama has promised to sign into law.

A man who denies the personhood of unborn babies probably does not care about the poor and defenseless outside the womb.

I am a seminarian, and I have to tell you that the vast majority of men studying for the priesthood in my diocese oppose Obama completely and see him as a secularist and anti-Catholic elitist. Mark my words, this man, if elected, will be no friend of the Church or the poor, who he will seek to use and manipulate like so many cattle.

The American people will get the leader they deserve...

I will close with a favorite Russian proverb of mine:
God sees everything, but He waits.

Vote wisely, Doctor. Each of us will have to answer to God for our vote. Remember, the 30 pieces of silver are never worth it.

TSD

[Mike Lopez]

Obama not only supports abortion but plans to signed into law the Freedom of choice act. We cannot, in good conscience, prioritize other issues above abortion and euthanasia for "proportionate reasons" such as war, health care, immigration, the economy, etc.

What is happening to the unborn is genocide.
They have no way of protecting themselves.
What value is a health care system to those babies that are no longer alive due to his abortion policy. Universal Health Care takes us towards socialism. I come from a country which provides some level of socialized medicine and there is many levels of bureaucracy. I aggree that Health care is an issue, but the government is not the answer. People in this country need to prioritize. How many people elect to buy the bigger car or the bigger house or simply rent the best apartment instead of buying their Health insurance.

John Paul II states: "Among all the crimes which can be committed against life, procured abortion has characteristics making it particularly serious and deplorable. The Second Vatican Council defines abortion, together with infanticide, as an "unspeakable crime." But today, in many people's consciences, the perception of its gravity has become progressively obscured. The acceptance of abortion in the popular mind, in behaviour and even in the law itself, is a telling sing of an extremely dangerous crisis of the moral sense, which is becoming more and more incapable of distinguising between good and evil, even when the fundamental right to life is at stake. Given such a grave situation, we need now more than ever to have the courage to look the truth in the eye and call things by their proper name, without yielding to convenient compromises or the temptation of self-deception.

Mr Kauffman - Please look at the websites/videos on this link below. If after looking at these websites you still feel the same about your vote, all I can say is GOD BLESS YOU.

http://www.randallterry.com/

http://www.blackgenocide.com/

http://www.klannedparenthood.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/index.cfm

Mike Lopez

Life expectancy in counties at the bottom is only 46 years, shorter than that in many developing countries! This isn’t a new finding - many other studies reported similar results. There are several reasons for such early death, but socioeconomic status and access to health care are the heavyweights. Thus, health care in particular, as well as many other policy differences between the political parties can have as profound an influence on life as the death penalty or abortion.

Firstly, I am suspicious of statistical data. I would like to know how it was compiled.

Secondly, mature adults in places like Mississippi can choose not to eat fried foods and they can choose to get some exercise. Young adults in ghettos can choose not to engage in gang violence and kill each other. What choice does an unborn baby have?

Thirdly, We often hear that the life expectancy in past centuries was quite low (40). But, that is because the high infant mortality rate was averaged into the mix. If a person survived early childhood he might go on to live to a ripe old age. Plato was about eighty when he died. What would our life expectancy be if we were to average in the deaths of aborted babies? There is a health plan for you! Stop killing babies! By my way of reckoning statistics, that would really give our life expectancy a boost.

Lastly, I am not surprised when an academic proclaims his support for Obama. We already know that the latte-drinking, Volvo-driving, graduate degree crowd are on their knees before Obama the messiah. After all, he has everything the elitist, cosmopolitan sophisticates could possibly hope for -- he has a Harvard law degree, the French don't laugh at him, he doesn't talk like "fly-over people," his plans would make Karl Marx proud (another academic).

I prefer someone like Sarah Palin. She says things like "you bethcha" and she likes moose burgers, but at least she has the moral clarity and common sense to know the difference between a dead baby and some harebrained health plan on a piece of paper.

[Mona Alona]

I'm surprised California Catholic Daily isn't covering this story but I've heard that Fr. Holquin runs(masquerades himself) in unsuspecting Orthodox Catholic circles in South County so I think it's safe to say Father Holquin has connections in both heterodox and orthodox communities.

Is it any wonder Father Holquin landed the Basilica and Fr. Fred Bailey landed Corpus Christi? I'm sure the bishop knows exactly what these two are about.

I hope that little dog is biting his ear.

[Remove the Wolves]

Actually, the little dog is whispering in his ear, "Grrrreat job Art! First we'll get Obama in. Next, we'll eventually defeat Prop. 8 and by then they'll be ready for bestiality."

As a faithful practicing Catholic I have fundamental difficulties with those Catholic leaders, Bishops among them, who parrot a strict Republican party line based on a single issue approach, especially when that single issue is handled so ineffectively by our supposed Republican champions that we risk destroying any chance of ever fixing this situation.

Pardon me, but our last "Church approved" pro-life champion had 8 years in office and the abortion rate hasn't exactly improved. Given a choice between cutting taxes and outlawing abortion, he made the same choice over and over and over, and our next "church approved" leader is showing the same priorities.

Now our deficit is going up a trillion dollars a year, our financial institutions are collapsing, and a bad recession with a whiff of depression has begun.

As a practicing Roman Catholic I believe that knowledge of God's creation and our God given reason will help us see and perform God's will. I know that the unavoidable economic slow down, benefits cuts, lay-offs, and government budget cuts are going to directly increase the abortion rates. Our hand-picked champions have now set the table for the murder of a few hundred thousand more babies. Nice job, and I bear a burden of that guilt because my church, which I faithfully support, all but ordered us to vote for these men.

The Republican administration's actions speak so much louder than their words, I just don't understand how so many ostensibly smart, well educated leaders within the church have managed to provide such terrible leadership to us, their followers who are attempting to be faithful. As the inevitable increase in abortion rates occurs over the next year or two, and the inevitable backlash against the conservatives for their inept governance plays out, I can only shake my head at the incredibly poor foresight my church has shown and pray for the souls of all the poor unborn babies our decisions have helped slaughter. And this isn't even the worst concern.

My faith's life and death concerns will be dismissed throughout the main stream of American thought and political discourse due to our strident insistence on continuing the failed "cut taxes and increase spending on corporate largess and war while paying lip service to abortion concerns" policies of the current administration when it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain what is going on. The American populace is rejecting this fundamental approach whole heartedly, and our unfortunate commitment to the losing side will only neutralize our attempts to cure our culture of death and end up killing more babies. We have now put ourselves at risk of losing on this issue for generations to come, when the underlying trends look to be moving our way.

If the bishops who have spoken out have their way, the pro-choice voices within the Democratic party will have no pro-life voices to counter them. Given the anti-life echo chamber, nothing will stop these politicians from packing the courts, and the slaughter is just going to continue and get worse before it ever gets better.

By fixing our church wagon to the Republicans we have been led into the political wilderness where our opinions and values will have no effect on the government of this country because the ineptitude and gross stupidity of the Republican leadership has left the public no choice but to eliminate them from active participation in our government.

For over a decade now, the polls show a small but noticeable increase in support for the pro-life position. Yet our marginalization is likely to lead to the abortion issue being dropped as a mainstream concern for a generation or more. It took a lot of misguided effort to put ourselves into position to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and I feel shame that my church has helped lead us into this dead end.

[Thomistic]

The above rationalization ignores the fact that President Bush could not eliminate legal abortion because of Roe vs. Wade.

The deeply confused author above makes erroneous and/or ignorant claims about the causes of our current economic crisis. The truth about that can be learned here: Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

The sadly misinformed (or deliberately misleading) author above also erroneously states that abortions were not reduced under the Bush administration. They were. In fact, partial birth abortions were banned.

President Bush appointed two justices to the Supreme Court. It is widely beleived that those justices would be willing to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

The next president will likely be able to appoint two more Supreme Court justices.

We are probably one justice away from overturning Roe vs. Wade.

Yet impatient excuse makers want pro-life Catholics to abandon what has taken decades to achieve over issues of lesser importance and silly talk of seamless garments.

Woe to you, Democrat, progressive, moderate, independent, and libertarian hypocrites! For you talk of concern for deficits and economies, and/or express concerns about unjust war, and/or profess concern for the poor, desire for living wages, and/or hope for health care, and/or desire individual freedoms, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law, justice (for all, born and unborn) and mercy and faith; these you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

Pax,

Thomistic

[Patrick]

Now our deficit is going up a trillion dollars a year, our financial institutions are collapsing, and a bad recession with a whiff of depression has begun...My faith's life and death concerns will be dismissed throughout the main stream of American thought and political discourse due to our strident insistence on continuing the failed "cut taxes and increase spending on corporate largess and war while paying lip service to abortion concerns" policies of the current administration when it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain what is going on.

Actually, anybody with half a brain should not allow themselves to be deceived by the mainstream media. They are in the tank for Obama, and they have painted a very gloomy picture of our economic troubles just before the election. And, of course, they blame it all on the Republicans. Please remember that Democrats have controlled Congress for the last two years. Also keep in mind that the mortgage collapse is a result of Democratic policies. It was brought about by Clinton appointees and Democratic legislators who believe the poor and minorities should have access to loans whether they met qualifications or not.

First of all, while I agree that G.W. has spent way to much money, we need to properly understand the true nature of the national debt. The national debt must be considered in relation to the gross national product. For instance, if Bill Gates owes $1,000,000, it isn't a big deal. He is a billionaire, and it is spare change to him. On the other hand, for most of us, a $1,000,000 debt would mean bankruptcy.

If you consider the national debt in relation to GNP, the national debt was actually much higher when Roosevelt and Truman were presidents. It is about the same as it was during the Eisenhower Presidency and it is only slightly higher than it was during the first half of the Clinton Presidency. The key thing to remember is that the economy and the wealth of the nation has grown along with the debt.

Secondly, this recession should not be unexpected. The economy goes through up and down cycles. Despite all the drama generated by the media, I do not think we will be standing in soup lines. Our economy is resilient.

Thirdly, the Bush tax cuts do not constitute a failed policy. The truth is that government revenues have increased as a result of the tax cuts.

Lastly, I don't know where you get the idea that American bishops are tied to the Republican Party. I bet most of them are Democrats. Some of the bishops, rightfully, speak out against abortion and against phony Catholic politicians who promote abortion. Personally, I am not a big fan of the Republican Party leadership or John McCain. I do agree with you to a point. The elite, out-of-touch leadership of the Republican Party does manipulate social conservatives with the issue of abortion. But, this election goes beyond all that. An Obama presidency should scare the hell out of you for many reasons.

[Patrick]

Above, I meant to type Democrat policies and Democrat legislators -- not Democratic. :o)

[James M. Essig]

Hi Folks;

Although I am personally cautious not to put to much focus on conspiracy theories, in the event that there is a Global Conspiracy to keep the general public dumbed down such as a preparation for the coming of the alleged Anti-Christ as is the subject of certain Evangelical Clergymen's’ services and even, if I am not mistaken, some of the reported modern day apparitions of Our Lord and the Blessed Virgin Mary, the powers that be could not have pulled such off more effectively.

The loss of respect for life at all stages of its development, the seemingly intractable fixation with ever more powerful military technologies, even far out ones that are publicly discussed such as the 747 ABL laser weapons platform, the development of the U.S. Army’s gun ship mounted tactical high energy laser which supposedly is being designed to literally burn through tanks and other armored vehicles and which most certainly can be used as an antipersonnel weapons system, and the like, not only have the natural corrupting evil forces within humanity and perhaps the same from some unscrupulous bodily extraterrestrial beings' influences behind it, but must also have some diabolical backing or strong influence from the eternal and bodiless pure spirit beings commonly referred to as fallen angels.

The state of civilization here on Earth and the debasement of life and the virtue of truth which is completely sub-verted in any existent global conspiracies ultimately, I feel must have the backing of Satan Himself behind it. The Devil and His minions would have a party and a field day of “laughing with delight” should mankind destroy himself with the now humiliatingly powerful and destructive ever growing nuclear arsenals on Earth based on simple mid 20th century physics.

Oddly enough, in some reported UFO based space alien abduction or communications cases, the ETs express great fear of or concern over humanities indelicate experimentation with nuclear physics and atomic weapons for war like purposes. In one such case that still remains unexplained, the ETs state that the equilibrium of the universe is threatened by our atomic experiments for war like purposes. Ironically, some bazaar form of atomic weaponry that would destabilize the local vacuum energy state minimum in which the universe may stably or meta-stably rest, according to many version of the Big Bang Theory, could be what causes the entire Heavens to dissolve by fire and the Earth to burn up by the elements therein as prophetically mentioned within the Bible.

Even though I am at best, just a morally rather ordinary Catholic human who cannot seem to avoid, atleast subjectively, the perceived need to attend the sacrament of confession on a near weekly basis and who held in general a modest B average or about a 3.0 GPA while studying physics as an undergrad physics student, I personally can see how ordinary nuclear weapons technology could probably be incorporated into devices that would cause the entire oceans of the Earth to undergo a nuclear fusion chain reaction in about 1/2 of a second thus producing more than enough energy than is required to completely vaporize 50,000 planets, each with the mass of the Earth and frozen cold to the core, based on the Heat of Vaporization and heat capacity of the materials out of which the Earth is constructed.

I do not mean to get too religious or scary here, but I see the work of the Evil One behind any global conspiracies and especially behind the ubiquitous loss of respect for human life.

When you vote, vote prolife! When you conduct your daily activities, be mindful of the sanctity of all human life at any stage of its development! Treat everyone you meet as another self and upon doing so, your reward will be great in Heaven! I have to remind myself to do this on a daily basis given the rudeness on our nations highways and the "get out of my way", macho posturing that typically occurs from both sexes when one conducts his or her daily affairs in public.

As for those of high degrees of psychological, vocational, and intellectual prowess and alledged maturity, and who hold themselves to be above and beyond those less fortunate, when you see a homeless man begging for money, a senseless homeless person babbling to himself or herself incoherently, see TV programs detailling the alledged unfair luxuries of life within our nations prisons, or when you feel the need to mock blue callor young un-wed woman who get pregnant for not using birth control and who decide to keep her child rather than abort it, I say, remember, "The last shall be first, and many of the first shall be last." and "There is more rejoicing among the angels in Heavan over one repentent sinner than over 99 just who have no need of repentance." Remember that Mary Magdeline was a prostitute or adulteriss but is now held to be among the greatest of Saints in Heavan. Remember how Saint Paul formerly persecuted the young Catholic Church and perhaps had strong influence over the murder of 100,000s of Christians before his conversion.

May the Good Lord bring You into the Fullness of His Glory!

Thanks;

Jim

[James Rich]

James E.

I can certainly say that the ET that kidnapped me...oops, sorry, abducted me (I don't want to sound inauthentic)...ten years ago said that we would be experiencing a country-wide challenge due to the imbeciles that post here. Now, if I was the math "genius" who posts here periodically, I'd explain how the alien travelled via a worm hole throughout the Alpha Quadrant...and how energy is really the same as spirit, and therefore spirit and matter are really immaterial--like many of these posts.

P. CoughMan, PhD.

I don't even know where to start with you, your argument is so poorly made and justified. I only ask you to research your catechism and moral philosophy under the terms volition and evil. Abortion is a willful action; premature, tragic death due to "lack of health care" is not. In the Old Testament, town elders had to swear that a murder victim found in their vicinity was not anyone's fault--they never had to do this with someone falling from a roof.

I wonder if you'd make the same arguments you do here 150 years ago: Well, since so many of us are in bondage to jobs we don't like, health conditions that are horrible, schools that are inadequate, and Robber Barons that control everything, slavery should not be a defining issue in this election.

I doubt you'd consider that a "progressive" argument.

[James M. Essig]

Hi James Rich;

I would recommend you read the latest news releases about the Jesuit Vatican advisor and Astronomer who has stated that it is OK for Catholics to believe in ETI.

What cannot be ignored is the vast number of persons who test well within the healthy range in batteries of psychological exams after having reported intimate contact with ETI. These people are experiencing something vary real and such experiences cannot be summarilly atributed to Demonic activity.

Regarding wormholes, any search of reputable physics journals will be replete with mathematical discriptions of wormhole concepts. Whether or not they can be used for travel, is still an active and open question in academia.

Sorry, the Biblical Account of creation is just metaphorical lore that was appropriate at the time for primitive cultures! The world was not created in seven days.

The bible is not a scientific document nor is it a description of the entirety of the domain of creation. The reality of the one true God likely goes far beyond what God has deemed necessary to reveal to His creatures.

Any bodily ETI are likely to be simmilar to us in terms of free will and moral falibility. Coupled with potentially more advanced technology in the hands of any ETI that are of dubious intent can have dangerous ramifications for the integrity of truth and openess in human society.

As for space aliens, I have never seen one nor have I ever seen any flying saucer style craft, but enough people claim to have and so I will state that I believe such associated phenomenon are very real to the people that report such.

As for the intentions of space aliens if they exist, they presumably are rational creatures with bodies and central nervous systems and have free choice to choose good or evil. If they do exist, I would hope that humanity would treat them ethically, but personally, given all of the panthiestic, new age, and superstitious crap about the aliens superiority and how those who make aliens their God, largely fall away from the message of Our Lady of Fatima, I sense a great deal of Evil behind the whole phenomenon and am more than willing to broadcast my beliefs on this or any other venue.

As for socalled imbeciles who post here regularly, I am co-inventor and co-applicant of a total of about 45 patent applications within the U.S. and abroad. A total of about 11 of my patent applications have issued and are now actual patents.

Insulting my intelligence or that of others who post on this site will only embolden the vigor with which we will argue the various points that we attempt to convey. If you want to take these insults to a whole new level, I will argue my point in ever more public forums.

Regards;

Jim

[Patrick]

One of the Vatican observatories is here in Arizona (the other is in Italy). The local Astronomy club sponsored a lecture by the above mentioned Jesuit astronomer.

I attended the lecture as well as the question and answer period afterward. The Jesuit never stated that E.T.s exist. In fact, he stated that he does not find any of the evidence for their existence to be convincing.

He said that he engages in "theological speculation." Furthermore, I don't think his opinions have any connection to official Vatican positions on the matter.

[Patrick]

I wonder if you'd make the same arguments you do here 150 years ago: Well, since so many of us are in bondage to jobs we don't like, health conditions that are horrible, schools that are inadequate, and Robber Barons that control everything, slavery should not be a defining issue in this election.

That is an excellent analogy. I wish I had thought of it first.

[Agi]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski!

[James Rich]

Jim,

I was giving you a hard time about the ET stuff. Dennis Prager, I believe, just interviewed the Vatican's astronomer on his radio program, and he said he definitely does not believe in ETs. I'm assuming my memory is correct, so I'm not making a definite pronouncement.

Also, making an imbecilic point/argument has nothing to do with one's inherent intelligence, just look at your boy Isaac Newton who spent the last decades of his life studying alchemy.

For future reference, bringing up ET, vampires/werewolves, chupacabra (one of my all-time favorites!!), and the Loch Ness Monster -- I'll cut Big Foot some slack this week -- on any public forum is going to earn you a fair amount of ridicule. You can't have possibly never encountered this before; if so, people have been too nice to you.

[James M. Essig]

Hi Patrick and James Rich;

My opinions about the possibility of ETI visitations and manipulations of human culture and civilization remain unchanged. I did not actually state that ETs definately exist. But given the enourmous extent of our universe, I am hardpressed to conclude that ETI civilizations do not exist. I have a tendancy to side with the folks who have claimed to have seen UFOs and to have communicated with the ETI all though I have not actually stated certain belief in such phenomenon. As for public ridicle, I can stand up to any ridicle anyone has to dish out and am more than willing to do so. Whether or not Space Aliens exist, I still state my opinion that the whole ETI visitation phenomenon shows the mark of Satan for the following reasons.

As a conservative Catholic and a member of the Knights of Columbus, I strongly adhere to the messages of Fatima and other approved Marian Apparitions and am aware of the title the BVM reveals for herself as the Queen of the Universe. In Medjugorie, she refers to herself as the Queen of the Cosmos, the Queen of everything not God, the Queen of all creation according to an interview a Priest and Author had with one of the visionaries. Thus, she is the ultimate Queen who is unique and unrepeatable. She is the unique Mother of God. There is no duplication of the Incarnation of the Son of God or the Motherhood of Mary in any possible ETI race.

The alledged abductions and channelings of new agers regarding alledged telepathic communications from the socalled ETI are repleat with statement such as or simmilar to the following:

Jesus was an alien.

Mary was an alien.

Jesus was Married to Mary Nagdeline and bore children thru her.

The Catholic Church is the most evil institution to have ever existed.

The ETs that come here are in general spiritually, intellectually, and socially more advanced or more developed than humans. I believe such statements only serve to make humans feel inferior and lead to a further denigration to the supreme dignity of man.

The ETs do not believe in a supreme being or a God that is entirely distinct form creation or the cosmos and is completely transcendant of the cosmos.

Ths ETs believe that the Christian ideals of sexual purity, modesty and the view that fornication, homosexual activity, and the like are sinful only serves to produce nuerotic inhibitions and suffering.

The ETs state according to bazaar socalled Galactic Civilizations such as the so called Ashtar Command their belief in ubiquitous reincarnation.

The ETs state according to the socalled Ashtar Command and other bazaar alledged organizations that there are no discarnate beings and that the human souls is composed in part of hydrogen atoms and that the human soul, the souls of so called astral travelers, etc can be destroyed directly by close proximity to nuclear weapons detonations.

The ETs have multiple sexual partners in their home planets.

The concept of Hell and eternal punishment for sin is false and is merely an instrument by which authorities on Earth control the population for gain of personal power, money, control, etc.

The doctrine of eternal salvation through Christ is false and unnecessary

And the list of trash goes on and on.

But where is the following;

The belief in the necessity of Christ as the sole Savior of the Human race.

The belief and emphasis of the reception of the Sacraments of the Catholic Church.

The belief in Hell

The belief that fornication, adultery, homosexual activity, masturbation, genetic manipulation of human DNA and embryoes,a rtificial contraception and the like is always wrong and mortally sinful when performed with full deliberation and knowledge of its sinful nature when such acts are done freely.

The Fatima message that more people go to Hell for sins of the flesh than for any other single reason.

The need for monthly sacramental confession for the West.

The belief in the infallibility of the Pope when the Pope defines a Dogma as such.

etc, etc,.

Even if bodily ETI are comming to the Earth in space ships, at least most of the time, their allegded philosophies and ethical conduct leave much to be desired. Perhaps the ETI are actually demons in disquize as you might be willing to suggest. I sense that the whole ET/UFO phenomenon is profoundly dark and evil. Even if ETI actually exist as space aliens, I would not trust a single one of them at this.

I will grant you that if the ETI exist, contrary to what some Jesuit religious and clergy who are astronomers emphasis, the ETI are probalby in general in big need of conversion as their behaviors violate natural law. Genetic engineering of human embryoes is always wrong. Fornication, adultery, homosexual activity, masturbation, oral sex, abortion, arficial contraception are always wrong even in cases where mitigating factors prevent such acts from being sinful.

Whether the ETs are real or a work of the Devil, humanity and even the Contemporary Church Authorities are being given a real snow job by the socalled space aliens.

Regarding some possible technologies that are based on ordinary 20th century that could conceivably be used to get us to other star systems and ultimately to colonize the observable universe, a brief list is as follows:

Some seriously proposed and researched technologies at the conceptual level that could enable us to reach highly relativistic velocities at which relativistic time dilation would be useful and very significant are new designs for interstellar ramjets, multistage fusion rockets having a specific impulse of 3 million seconds, matter antimatter rockets with a specific impulse of 30 million seconds, beamed energy light sails and microwave sails, dive and fry solar or stellar sail space craft, photon, ion, or electron rockets, electro-plasma-hydrodynamic, magneto-plasma-hydrodynamic, and electro-magneto-plasma-hydrodynamic drive propulsions systems, fusion pellet runways and the list goes on and on.

As for wormholes being a nonesense concept in the eyes, I recommend to check out the issues of Physical Review Letters over the last 30 years.

Regarding the space propulsion concepts I listed above, do a comprehensive search of the subject within promenant aerospace and astronautics journals for peer reviewed articles. I garantee you that you will find numerous good papers on such concepts that have nothing to do with nonsense concepts of channelling, claravoyance, crystals and other new age crap.

Regards;

Jim

[James Rich]

Hmm, given what you've said about ETI, it's clear they do exist and have colonized various parts of America: San Francisco, Hollywood, many universities, and the Democratic party!!

Hopefully we won't have a Close Encounter of a Presidential Kind.

[Patrick]

I am open-minded to the possibility that Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi are space aliens.

[James M. Essig]

Hi James Rich and Patrick;

You have cleary made a false statement through some contorted attempt at logic. I have never stated definatively that ETI have colonized Earth nor implied such a statement or belief.

Both of you however have misinterpreted that Church's position on ETI. Essentially, the Church has no opinion and holds that the existence of any ETI and the discovery of such would be a matter of science and history, not the domain of the ruling of the Catholic Church.

As I said before, I have a tendancy to stand by my belief that the experiences of those who claim to have been abducted and to have communciated with the ETI are real to the persons who experience them.

By the way, are you both still stuck within the narrow confines of creationist thinking. Move on the the Big Bang Theory allready!

Have you still not had a comprehensive look through Physical Review Letter etc. I will be surprised if you can even understand the abstracts of the subject papers published within.

The ET phenomenon, as I stated earlier, is most probably a work of Satan, and if any ETI exist and are somehow involved in and/or are effecting the spread of the sort of new age nonsense that is robbing many Catholics of their Faith, at the very least, I would have to assume that any such ETs are pawns of Satan.

No! The laws of thermdynamics do not imply that physical life in all of its physical forms could not have naturally evolved on Earth. The entropy of the shining Sun is much, much, greater than the order that exist within the Earth biosphere. The argument that disorder can only increase is nonsense in a naturally evolving biosphere. Or do you think that somehow, a snow ice crystal that is highly ordered is the result of God zapping the ice crystal into being?

Get with the program of modern science! If bodily life can evolve on Earth, why not also innumerable times throughout this vast cosmos. Academia and research journals are replete with concepts for potential manned interstellar space craft that could reach the nearby stars and eventually throughout the Milky Way Galaxy and beyond. If we may do so over the following 200 or more years, why cannot any existing ETI have already done so.

Evidently, your narrow minded minimalist interpretation of the cosmos from Sacred Scripture has blinded you.

Regards;

Jim

[James Rich]

LOL!! (to use earlier online nomenclature). You're right, though, the Catechism is definitely silent about ET, big foots (or is that 'feet'?), chupacabra, and the like. Is your real name Art Bell?

The one definite thing that can be discerned from my comments -- and if I may be so bold, Patrick's -- is that we are staunch Creationists.

And, yes, I do understand the abstract you mentioned, especially after I put my
Mission Impossible spy decoder glasses on and read what was really written!! You didn't think to do that, did you? And you think you're all smart and stuff.

Jim, you seem like a good guy. We're just joking about the description you gave about aliens' moral proclivities, and turned it into a liberal democrat slam. It's nothing against you. I'm just joshing with you. Ease up a bit on your seriousness...or people will begin to talk.